Ok I have a question...What(Who)destroyed the California "GOP"?

21 Mar 2014 | US Navy Vet

[US Navy Vet]

... Please give us some history.

[ansel12]

Are they Protestant or Catholic?

[Clintonfatigued]

My opinion is that the CA Republican Party was destroyed mainly by Jerry Brown, Phillip Burton, Rose Bird, Willie Brown, and Tony Coehlo. Jerry Brown stacked the state judiciary with leftist, hyper-political judges who reflexively supported Democrats regardless of merit. Rose Bird was the most flagrant of them. Phillip Burton’s redistricting plan, with input from Coehlo and Willie Brown, locked Democrats into majorities which couldn’t be dislodged, even when they lost the majority of the vote. So even when Republicans elected governors, their power was limited. The end result was that Republican, conservative, and religious voters moved away in droves to get away from the inevitable result of leftist governance. That demographic change has also contributed to California’s budgetary problems.

Dishonorable mention goes to Ross Johnson, the Assembly Minority Leader who insisted on having lousy candidates running in marginal districts, effectively handing them to Democrat nominees by default.

[steve86]

The ones next door are Protestant. The eight grader has just started going to his own Protestant Church just down the road (Assembly of God) while the mother and a few others go to a different church.

[steve86]

eighth grader

[ansel12]

Protestant Hispanics voted 48% republican in 2008, and 56% republican in 2004.

[fieldmarshaldj]

The Democrats can only do so much from without... it’s the damage of incompetent leadership (the establishment RINOs wishing to just be the pale copy of the Democrats) within the party most responsible.

The more I research and think on it, Republican incompetence (lousy leadership, candidates, ideology) are almost solely to blame for so many Democrat successes. Look at the last 5+ decades in the state. Had a Republican Governor been in place for redistricting in 1962, it would’ve stymied the Democrat shift (hence no Pat Brown). No Watergate/ITT Scandal, a Republican would’ve succeeded Reagan in 1974 (no Jerry Brown).

This would’ve been 3 key successive points where a GOP Governor combined with a legislature would’ve presented us with a far different set of Congressional lines (indeed, one district in San Francisco could’ve continued to elect a Republican until as late as 1980, the Bill Mailliard-Dan Burton seat).

Add in Pete Wilson, and in one shot, he gave up the last final GOP charge for majority status in 1996/98, and we’ve been a shadow of that since.

[fieldmarshaldj]

Reagan couldn’t get rid of it. He didn’t have the votes to abolish it. Eisenhower should’ve rolled back 20 years of Democrat big government programs and he didn’t have the inclination to. Had he done so, who knows how much better off we’d have been today.

[crazycatlady]

I think that’s a reimagining of the Joads.
I don’t believe that there’s anything inherently wrong with relocating to get employment.

[crazycatlady]

Lots of Protestant Hispanic churches in N. Everett. I’m sure everybody is welcome, but there are tons of churches in N. and downtown Everett, period, including storefront churches.

[Political Junkie Too]

California, minus the population centers of Los Angeles and the Bay Area, is SOLIDLY red. More sophistry.

From a district by district (or county by county) standpoint, the original statement is true. The trouble is that the "red" districts are lightly populated central and east California towns.

What is hard to tell is if the blue shift since 2008 is really a demographic trend or just "white guilt" voting for Obama in order to be a part of the "historic" wave.

2000 Presidential election. Blue supported Gore. Red supported Bush.

2003 Recall map. Green supported recall, red supported Gray Davis.

2004 Presidential Election. Blue supported Kerry. Red supported Bush.

2008 Presidential election. Blue supported Obama. Red supported McCain.

2012 Presidential Election. Blue supported Obama. Red supported Romney.

-PJ

[ansel12]

Big colored maps of voting by unpopulated counties has never much impressed me.

43 Tuolumne County 54,008
44 Calaveras County 44,742
45 Siskiyou County 44,154
46 Amador County 37,035
47 Lassen County 33,658
48 Del Norte County 28,290
49 Glenn County 27,992
50 Colusa County 21,411
51 Plumas County 19,399
52 Inyo County 18,495
53 Mariposa County 17,905
54 Mono County 14,348
55 Trinity County 13,526
56 Modoc County 9,327
57 Sierra County 3,086
58 Alpine County 1,129
Source: U.S. Census

[jsanders2001]

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In the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled Ok I have a question...What(Who)destroyed the California “GOP”?, dsc wrote:
“No. I said nothing of the sort.”

I’m glad to hear that you didn’t intend it.

“I’m just saying its easy to see things the way you want to see them depending on your state of mind at the time.”

Some people work very hard not to do that, but rather to understand things as they are, as far as God has equipped them to do so. Nobody’s perfect, of course.

“Don’t go using a liberal attack method on me now”

I did no such thing. I still maintain that a reasonable man could have taken your statement to mean that.

“though I guess it might be good practice for learning to deal with them....lol”

I no longer think that enough of them could be persuaded to make a difference in the course of events. I don’t usually bother any more.

Friends?...: )

[BRL]

sex drugs and rock’n roll

[kabar]

The problem is that many Hispanics, although pro- many conservative values do tend to vote for the handouts.

Most Hispanics are not conservatives. With a 53% out of wedlock birthrate and the highest school drop out rate of any group, is it any wonder they are Democrats?

[Political Junkie Too]

With the Clinton era, California maps show a moving away from a Clinton 2nd term, even in some counties that voted for him in 1992.

1996 Presidential election. Blue supported Clinton. Red supported Dole. Green supported Perot.

Note that in 1994, Proposition 187, the California immigration reform, was passed.

1992 Presidential election. Blue supported Clinton. Red supported Bush. Green supported Perot.

In 1988, California went for Bush over Dukakis. Blue supported Dukakis. Red supported Bush.

In 1984, only the Bay Area (San Francisco, Oakland, Silicon Valley, and Marin) went for Mondale. The rest of the state went to Reagan.

In 1980, even Silicon Valley voted for Reagan over Carter.

However, the story was mixed in 1976 when it was Carter vs. Ford. Blue supported Carter. Red supported Ford.

-PJ

[Political Junkie Too]

Big colored maps of voting by unpopulated counties has never much impressed me.

That's what I said my my leading sentences. See my later post to see the trend all the way back to 1976.

-PJ

[The_Republic_Of_Maine]

"Reagan couldn’t get rid of it. He didn’t have the votes to abolish it."

I don't believe a president needs any votes to end a program of the executive branch.

[Impy]

I thought Pete Wilson was decent?

[Political Junkie Too]

Wilson declared in a debate with Kathleen Brown in 1994 that he would serve out his term if reelected as governor, and then a few months later flew to New York City for a photo op announcing his candidacy for President in front of the Statue of Liberty.

-PJ

[rollo tomasi]

The F.S.A. which stands for the Free Sh!t Army