We have a winner!
The people are the government and the people should control marriage. Otherwise, anyone can claim to be a church and then marry gays or any other combination you can think of.
Someone could start a church called the Gay Church of Christ and marry all the gays they wanted and without a government regulation on marriage, there would be nothing we could do to control it.
Thus, we end up with marriage as a contract between 2 to n people of any sex, blood status or age.
I wish the gay “marriage” proponents would be honest about that being the end game.
The government shoud be in the business of issuing a license that recognizes the civil partnership of two consenting adults. They should further offer the services of a notary to complete and file the license once both partners sign it.
If you want a religious celebrant to recognize your marriage at a joyous celebration, the state shouldn’t be involved.
Yes this sucks but the genie isn’t going back into the bottle.
Secondly, the people of each state need to decide to leave marriage out of state government's hands. Same issue: flat tax solves state meddling in martial and other personal status.
If that happened today the black robed tyrants on the Federal bench would declare the voters' actions to be unconstitutional and reinstate the law. Like everything else that has happened in this country for the past 25 years it has been done against the will of the people.
Cultural civil war can be avoided by getting government out of marriage.
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Crap and Bull Crap. Just what one would expect from a liberal rag.
this is a nonsense argument pushed by the ABA.
It is by design, intended to remove children out of marriage and make them a separate legal issue and make probate rules default to the state inheriting all.
WE USED TO HAVE a non state recording system. It was full of fraud and abandonment. It does not work.
This is a junk argument for establishment republicans to find cover from those who do not support sexual fetish based “marriage”.
All voluntary makes anything goes. Marry your cat, all your cats, your refrigerator, one two three fifty people and things. Marry your real estate or pot plant or personal property. There is no rule against it.
So can the state then force a contractual spouse to testify against their contractual partner in court? Also, from the point of view of taxes then will my stay at home spouse then be nonexistent, i.e., I will be treated as if I am a single person perhaps doubling my taxes? If you want to really kill traditional marriage then treat the traditional man works/wife stays home the same as a single person enjoying life in SF.
It already IS a private right! Everything that is not delegated to the federal government by the Constitution IS a God-given right and is reserved to the states and people receptively (10th Amendment).
Quit trying to create a Soviet Stater where the state creates rights, the State then expands its power to enforce, and the State may take away at any time. America is exceptional becasue it acknowledges the beginning point in the affairs of man is the INDIVIDUAL's God-given (not man-given) unalienable rights.The Constitution is aimed at binding the federal government to ensure it stays within those LIMITED rights and powers DELEGATED by the Constitution via the states and the people.
How do you get marriage out of the government? Will the federal government still be treating, for example, in the armed forces, a perverted homo couple the same equivalent as a man-and-wife in regards to military housing?
This nonsense about getting the government out of marriage is just another libertarian ploy to advance the leftist agenda through appeasement.
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I've known of divorced women not gay who wanted a civil union, not a marriage, so children and exes would not take over in times of emergency.
Ugh, a fundamentally dumb argument.
I know a couple that got married in Belgium. Their big day consisted of two ceremonies. The first ceremony was in front of a judge, and that satisfied the legal requirements for the state to consider them bound by law. Then, they had the Church wedding with a priest and this is where they were spiritually bound. Had they only had the Church / priest ceremony, it would not have been legally recognized by the state.
Bullsh!t.
Governments have a vested interest in encouraging from both a legal rights and financial perspective, marriage between a man and a woman, the only coupling that can truly form a family. The family is then the bedrock unit of a strong society that the government should be, and in fact should only be, interested in helping to development.
This perspective is ludicrous.
The proper role of just governance is to secure the blessings of liberty. The original purpose of Family Law, i.e. government involvement, was to protect the rights of children to be raised properly by the father and mother who conceived them. Children, understandably, are most vulnerable with regard to the security of their endowed rights. Is government too involved in marriage today?. . .no question a slippery slope, however, there is a “just” role for government in securing the rights of children. . .btw, it is children’s rights that suffer the most as a result of the redefining of marriage. No one has an endowed right to have a spouse. . but children born of a father and mother DO have an endowed right to be raised properly by that father and mother.
Fund’s right, of course, that marriage precedes government. In fact, until the French Revolution after which couples were required to see the mayor before the priest, “formal” marriage was limited to the sacrament of Matrimony or the religious, social, tribal conventions of various groups. Just one of the many, many perversions of the French Revolution that’s leaked into today’s mores.
it can’t be. b/c divorce exists, and it’s conducted through courts. which then sets precedents in law, and then legislatures get involved with making laws regarding marriage and divorce.
The government should never have intruded upon the marriage institution, or been allowed to muck around with the definition of marriage. Marriage is a union between a man and a woman, a union between their families and a bridge to the future through children and inheritance. The imitation marriages between homosexuals is another bad joke from pop culture, more perversion of traditional values and our society. A government that participates in the willful destruction of our society and its foundations should be toppled.