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Slow carpool lanes draw complaints from commuters, DOT
Orange County Register ^ | December 15, 2014 | Kellie Mejdrich

Posted on 12/15/2014 10:49:26 AM PST by EveningStar

... Carpool lanes are so clogged in California, the state could lose federal funding and approval for projects if it doesn’t fix the problem.

Under federal law, carpool lane drivers in California must be able to go an average of 45 miles per hour or faster during peak hours. Additionally, over a six-month period, traffic has to go that fast 90 percent of the time. Caltrans explains that means the lane’s average speed can drop below 45 no more than two days a month ...

(Excerpt) Read more at ocregister.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; caltrans; carpool; dot
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To: Paladin2

I like my jam density to be low enough so that it spreads on the bread evenly with one knife swoop.


41 posted on 12/15/2014 11:33:41 AM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: NY.SS-Bar9
Common knowledge for students of life:

here

42 posted on 12/15/2014 11:39:25 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: EveningStar
Used to use the carpool lane every day with two other people in the car. It was nearly as slow as using the regular lanes until all the ‘buy into the lane’ programs stopped for a time, and all of a sudden, a 45 minute communte became 20 minutes, with 9 of it exiting the freeway.

Then the new series of ‘buy into the carpool lane’ programs started - hey, slap a natural gas sticker on your car and fill out a form with a picture of the sticker, and you too could buy your way into the lane. Once again, the travel time became 45 minutes.

43 posted on 12/15/2014 11:49:39 AM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: BenLurkin

We use the carpool lane. It saves LOTS of time for us. What amazes me is how many cars have just one person in them. Why don’t THEY carpool?


44 posted on 12/15/2014 11:53:26 AM PST by Loud Mime (We wanted an Einstein But we got a Frankenstein (h/t Alice Cooper))
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To: EveningStar

Problem in Southern California are those people driving in the HOV lane that have no business there.

Vehicles with one occupant with no HOV Sticker.

And there are tons of them.


45 posted on 12/15/2014 12:24:49 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: EveningStar

I don’t see the problem - California’s a liberal state, all they have to do is apply a liberal solution: redefine the mile or redefine the hour.


46 posted on 12/15/2014 1:28:18 PM PST by Stosh
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To: Charles Henrickson
Carpool Funnel Syndrome

+!

47 posted on 12/15/2014 1:37:33 PM PST by mikrofon (If you have Carpathia, is there also a Bikepathia ;?)
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To: dfwgator

As dumb as those lines in banks or at the local Fry’s Electronics that have you snake around instead of lining up like at a supermarket.

Car pools lanes in the Sepulvada pass on the 405 freeway are stupid (mountain on either side). You need every lane to accommodate the traffic instead of creating a bottleneck.


48 posted on 12/15/2014 2:22:14 PM PST by minnesota_bound
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To: Loud Mime

It simply is not practical for most people. People live far from their jobs, work different hours, and have different places they want and or need to go on their way to and from work.

Plus, back when I was employed my job took me all over southern California. Just me and my worn out cars (one after another). And my situation, although not typical, was also not unique.


49 posted on 12/15/2014 3:37:25 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Loud Mime

My wife and I work together and we don’t car pool.

We used to but it was just too much trouble when one of us had to come in early or leave late. If one of us got sick the other lost an hour taking them home and then coming back. If one of us wanted to do some errands after work and the other just wanted to go home it left one or the other unhappy.

The lost and wasted time just wasn’t worth it.

I wouldn’t consider car pooling with someone else unless the drive was a hundred miles each way.


50 posted on 12/15/2014 3:44:57 PM PST by Eaker (Radical muslims want to cut off your head. Moderate muslims want a radical muslim to cut it off .)
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To: dfwgator

Yep, who knew taking 25% of the lanes away would make the other lanes just sit there? One lane gets a little better mileage and three lanes get none at all.

Air quality management and politicians, two of the most brain dead examples of the sub-human species.


51 posted on 12/15/2014 7:29:51 PM PST by DoughtyOne (The question is Jeb Bush. The answer is NO!)
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To: EveningStar

There was only one reason for a HOV lane.... To keep the bus on schedule. Later some found a way to charge for it.

It is mathematically proven that car pool lanes slow down overall flow. But it allows the bus to keep a schedule. We could talk math here, but most aren’t taught that in the US of A.


52 posted on 12/15/2014 7:38:28 PM PST by Quick Shot
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To: Quick Shot

Do they have car pool lanes on the Autobahn or the Autostrata. No way. Or in Japan. Oh they teach math there.


53 posted on 12/15/2014 7:40:26 PM PST by Quick Shot
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To: EveningStar
I like long commutes. Get to listen to Sirius radio. Get to listen to podcasts and MP3s. Watch all the idiots next to me getting into accidents and such.

An hour in the morning and an hour and a half on way home (because I like to take the scenic route).

No HOV lanes for me.

54 posted on 12/15/2014 7:43:48 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: Charles Henrickson

Still the all time pun master


55 posted on 12/15/2014 9:24:11 PM PST by Roscoe Karns
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To: SamAdams76

I enjoy it too. I have a 45 minute commute where I listen to music or talk radio. By the time I get to work I’ve finished my coffee and am ready for action!


56 posted on 12/15/2014 9:29:43 PM PST by Roscoe Karns
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To: EveningStar
Carpool lanes are so clogged in California, the state could lose federal funding and approval for projects if it doesn’t fix the problem.

If it comes down to a tug-of-war between the feds and the Jerry Brownian Calif***ians for who keeps the loot from federal gas taxes, I'm all in favor of it staying in corrupt Washington, D.C. rather than be squandered by CALTRANS.

Not that DOT would make better use of the funds than CALTRANS, because I'm sure they would not. They would undoubtedly be sent to other states to be wasted on bike paths or light rail construction which ultimately will become a money pit for those state and local governments to fill at the cost of foregoing worthwhile highway projects.

However, there is a positive side to Washington not funding Calif***ia's ever-expanding carpool network. As one of the largest recipients of federal transportation dollars, having their portion of the pot cut off for a minor infraction of the rules written into federal law to satisfy mostly anti-highway enviros and anti-growth Malthusians would sound the alarm that federal money is not free: accept it at your own risk.

The sooner large states such as Calif***ia get shorted by the feds and consequently have to go their own way toward funding local road projects the sooner we can bid adieu to the federal fuel tax. With the Interstate Highway System having been finished for twenty-five years, isn't it about time?

57 posted on 12/15/2014 10:13:51 PM PST by logician2u
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To: vette6387
You realize you just outed yourself as a Southern Californian...

I did. I forget that there is more California north of San Clemente...

58 posted on 12/16/2014 5:49:05 AM PST by Half Vast Conspiracy (I'm done being even remotely civil.)
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