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that JUST about the size of it
God Bless this man!
FULL TITLE: Rev. Cruz: If Gay Marriage is ‘Civil Right,’ Gov’t Will Force Pastors to Obey ‘Unjust’ Law or ‘Obey God and Face Prison’
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Absolutely. No doubt about it. We need only to look at how the military is threatening chaplains in the same way to see what the future will hold for Christian clergy.
If they start sending clergy to prison for refusing to perform gay marriages, there will be trouble.
No way Ted, anymore than Dem appointed judges will force individual states to marry same-sex couples in defiance of state law.
Stop trying to incite paranoia. This is still America. People are not forced to do anything they don’t want here in this great country. We are ‘Pro-choice’.
We’ll see.
If the homosexual activists leave churches alone, then churches will not be forced to perform homosexual marriages.
Based on the liberal meltdown over the Indiana religious freedom bill, I expect liberals will want to take on churches over homosexual marriage. Once the Supreme Court imposes homosexual marriage on all 50 states, that will pave the way for lawsuits against churches.
Of course, none of this would be an issue, if the homosexual s were content with having won the battle over civil secular marriage in our society. It will only happen if they start suing churches over homosexual marriage.
Eventually, we may see churches decline to perform any marriages. They might perform a “matrimonial” ceremony in keeping with religious faith, however, the participants may then have to go to a justice of the peace for their marriage to be legally recognized. We’ll see about that also.
RE: Gov’t Will Force Pastors to Obey Law or Face Prison
I can see that happening Alinsky style.
Saul Alinsky did not propose change in one big bang. He proposed to do it slowly but surely and do it subtly, one institution at a time, starting with the weaker one.
So, I can see Military Chaplains (who are employees of the federal government ) being coerced first.
Then, after this is done, they can say, hey if it’s OK for the military chaplains, why can’t it be OK for churches (unless of course you want to have your tax exempt status revoked )...
etc. etc. etc.
Some people will laugh at this. But there used to be a time when killing a near born baby ( the one near full term ) was unthinkable.
Now, even Obama does not think it should be illegal to ban aborting the near born baby,
When Obama says he is “evolving” don’t believe it. His definition of “evolution” is exactly in Alinsky’s playbook.
[“And so it is going to come to America to where a pastor is going to be faced with a decision: Do you obey a law that is not only unjust but violates your core principles, or do you obey God and face prison?” said Pastor Cruz.]
American pastors piously declare they’d go to prison before performing a gay wedding, but do nothing to prevent it from becoming reality. Words bear fruit.
Freedom of religion coming to an end in the US, and freedom of speech also has gone by the wayside. Right to assembly went away after you had to apply for a permit that could be turned down. Right to bear arms is under attack by the fascists. The erosion of the Bill of Rights by the Left Wing is almost complete.
I disagree. Here's one example why: It would clearly be unconstitutional for a state to prohibit interfaith marriages. No court would uphold such a law. But, at the same time, no court would force a pastor to perform an interfaith marriage.
I think the same thing is likely to happen here. Even if the Supreme Court rules that it is unconstitutional for a state to prohibit same-sex marriage, I don't think that any court would force a pastor to perform a same-sex marriage.
He’s skirting around the nub of it, but close enough to get to the point.
The whole gay “marriage” thing is about the left pushing Christians to the limits of their tolerance to a point of resistance, then criminalizing that resistance.
The whole point and goal all along is the criminalization of Christian belief.
Has the government forced a church to conduct interfaith of interracial marriages?
When he was fighting,m I don't think there were any known communists involved, Cruz was on the side of Castro, and was jailed and tortured by Batista.
Jesus already told us how to make this choice. "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's and unto God the things that are God's." The very few things that are Caesar's include tax dollars. The things that are God's include just about everything else, including our absolute loyalty and obedience.
Prison is the only acceptable answer if those are the choices. Fortunately, the Bill of Rights gives us the power to select a third option if FedGov attempts to violate the First Amendment.
He fought against Batista.
And he sees the same thing starting to happen here.
No wonder the anti-Christ Oboma is in love with Cuba (water seeks it's own level).
From a related thread …
More specifically, while Christians are complaining that their 1st Amendment protections are being trampled on, they’re not pointing out that Section 1 of 14th Amendment prohibits the states as well from abridging their constitutionally enumerated protections.
14th Amendment, Section 1:All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States [emphasis added]; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Note that the “privileges or immunities” term which John Bingham, the main author of Section 1, used in that section is just another way to refer to constitutionally enumerated rights, most of these well-known rights, including 1st Amendment-protected freedom of religious expression, listed in the Bill of Rights.
In fact, the states have never amended the Constitution to expressly protect LGBT issues. So citizens who value their freedom of religious expression need to learn to argue the following. Pro-gay activist states are unthinkingly using equal protections policies to bully Christians in the name of protecting constitutionally unprotected gay “rights.”
Ted best prepare his dad for the rabid liberal stalkers.