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Kentucky ‘free range’ family loses custody of 10 kids over apparent ‘unschooling’
Examiner ^ | 5/8/2015 | Travis Gettys

Posted on 05/09/2015 5:53:54 AM PDT by cuban leaf

It is every parent’s worst nightmare, and according to a report on Police State Daily and the Medical Kidnapping site; for one homeschooling family in Kentucky, it has come true. On May 6, Kentucky homesteading Naugler family had their ten children taken into the custody of the state and are now fighting to regain custody and to prove their innocence.

According to the family’s facebook blog page, Blessed Little Homestead, and other sources above, the police showed up, asked to see the children, and when the mother asked to see a warrant and what the charges were, the sheriff proceeded to explain how it would “come down” if she did not comply and that there had been an anonymous complaint filed with Child Protective Services that he needed to investigate. Eventually, she agreed for the two older children to wave to the officer and was then free to go. At that point, she drove away with her two oldest children and was pulled over.

According to the audio of the incident, she was then asked to release the children into their custody. She refused, but the children were still taken. As they were taken, she reacted with heart-wrenching screams as she was being cuffed and arrested. On later audio, her husband shows up on the scene and asks where his children and wife are and records the transaction as he is told to bring his other 8 children to a specified location by 10 a.m. or he would be arrested and the children taken into state custody. He complied, and all ten of the children are now in state custody. Nicole Naugler also blogs at homestead mama.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: alexjones; blessedlittlehmstd; commonexpression; communes; facebook; fascism; hgignorant; hippies; homeschool; kentucky; largeacreofland; lewrockwell; nannystate; nicolenaugler
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This is very close to where I live.

What is interesting is the excuse used. If they use any excuse other than "they don't go to government schools, they would have to take the kids from most of the families in eastern Kentucky.

This appears to be prompted by the government being concerned about too many people home shcooling, and not doing it as the state feels fit. Laura Engels would have become a ward of the state if they used the same standards back in the day.

1 posted on 05/09/2015 5:53:54 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: cuban leaf

I tried to post this article from Raw News, but apparently FR blocks that site. No problem. It’s being covered on many news sources. Well, except for the MSM (CNN, MSNBC, FOX, etc.).

The old saying is that if the MSM didn’t report it, it didn’t happen. Except id did. And does.


2 posted on 05/09/2015 5:55:26 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: cuban leaf

the parents seem to militantly oppose.. The New Hope and Change..and thus had to be corralled for the good of das children.....


3 posted on 05/09/2015 5:59:15 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
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To: cuban leaf

With people like M. McC and others, KY is a big government state and shall so remain to the sad disadvantage of this family.


4 posted on 05/09/2015 5:59:19 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Liberals keep winning; so the American people must now be all-liberal all the time.)
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To: cuban leaf

We will learn next to nothing more as the govt hostage takers will have threatened the family NOT TO TALK under threat of never seeing their kids again.

We need to have advance heads up BEFORE leo comes out to take hostages. There are still plenty of armed Americans that would standoff the LEO thugs. Just see Nevada last year at the ranch.

Once the kids are taken, facts are manipulated and the truth gets killed.


5 posted on 05/09/2015 6:02:31 AM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: cuban leaf

Number two ... STAY OFF FACEBOOK.


6 posted on 05/09/2015 6:03:02 AM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: cuban leaf

Scrolling down the article to the comments section, it appears the children might not have been taken because of home schooling but because of dangerous living conditions.

I’m not sure which is the true scenario, but the article is vague on the facts.


7 posted on 05/09/2015 6:14:22 AM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: George from New England

Number one through one thousand: Stay off FaceBook. When I was going to school, I had a teacher tell the class when someone asked about those who wrote poems, prose, and other things in textbooks. She said, “there is an old saying, “Fool’s names and fool’s faces are always seen in public places.” FaceBook illustrates that saying well.


8 posted on 05/09/2015 6:15:40 AM PDT by sport
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To: cuban leaf

This family should remove themselves to a fifth floor walk up in Detroit and let the kids play in the street. No one would bother them, least of all law enforcement.


9 posted on 05/09/2015 6:18:01 AM PDT by Aleya2Fairlie
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To: George from New England
Number two ... STAY OFF FACEBOOK.

Amen to that.

10 posted on 05/09/2015 6:18:41 AM PDT by Right Brother
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To: cuban leaf

Right, cause kids can only legitimately be “free ranged” in public schools.


11 posted on 05/09/2015 6:19:24 AM PDT by 9thLife ("Life is a military endeavor..." -- Francis)
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To: cuban leaf

If you follow various storylines of the episode....this family....the Nauglers....go by a method call “unschooling” which basically means natural experiences (games, play, household chores, travel, and personal courses of study). Note, they don’t mention home-schooling which tends to require basic degrees of normal topics that most all home-schooling parents incorporate into their efforts, along with booklets and text.

The problem with this is that once the kids get to eighteen....then what? No one will be able to attest to their reading level. One kid might read at the 3rd grade level and the next kid might read at the 9nd grade level. One kid might have a 12th grade grasp of math and the next kid might have the 4th grade grasp of math. If they came to your factory, shop or office....applying for a job...maybe you’d accept them, but then four weeks later....ask them to leave because they can’t write basic English text at even the 9th grade level.

All these parents are doing....are setting the kids up for stocking shelves, pumping gas, and mowing grass. Beyond that...when the kid reaches thirty and becomes aware of his/her shortfallings...now what? Who screwed up this?

Don’t lecture me over home-schooling....if you go by the method, you aren’t selling the kids short. These parents aren’t home-schooling. They simply letting the kids tag along and just catch things as they occur. That might be ok for 1815, but here in 2015....you kinda need a decent basic education or you get screwed.


12 posted on 05/09/2015 6:20:10 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: cuban leaf

Stuff like this is why I’m torn when I saw the rocks thrown at cops in Baltimore.


13 posted on 05/09/2015 6:23:22 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: pepsionice

I actually get all of that and I agree with your concerns, seriously.

But my core beliefs that come from my understanding of bible teaching, the constitution of the country I live in, and everything every other information source I respect causes me to come to this conclusion:

They are not my kids and it is none of my business. It doesn’t mean I can’t, if so inclined, try to counsel the parents to better prepare their children for adulthood, but that’s all I should be allowed to do. Nobody should be allowed to interfere via the Power of the Gun, which is the technical definition of what the government is doing.

Nobody.


14 posted on 05/09/2015 6:26:31 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: pepsionice

“All these parents are doing....are setting the kids up for stocking shelves, pumping gas, and mowing grass.”

That’s a nice story, but do you have any empirical evidence of that? I mean, can you cite any instances of that ever happening?


15 posted on 05/09/2015 6:27:33 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: cuban leaf

the gov’t warehouses for kids - aka public schools - get a per head bounty payment each day a kid is in school.

Ten kids not in school - lotta money they aren’t getting

In the meantime, even after the family gets their kids back, they have been traumatized for life - their security gone, never knowing when they’ll be snatched again.

They need to get their kids and then SUE - with a suit on the table, the state will stay away.


16 posted on 05/09/2015 6:28:28 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ( million ii, all)
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To: pepsionice

Because I know a kid who was essentially unschooled, and he now works for a US congressmen, and pols are constantly calling him to help in their campaigns.


17 posted on 05/09/2015 6:29:11 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: CaptainK

Scrolling down the article to the comments section, it appears the children might not have been taken because of home schooling but because of dangerous living conditions.


In this case I consider that a red herring, and the reason is simple. This is Kentucky. I moved here from Seattle four years ago and sometimes I think I’m gonna see Huck Finn himself come out of a house.

i.e. If this same government ever went to eastern Ky, they’d round up half the kids there, and because of much WORSE living conditions.

This is about people that the government can’t control, and there are enough of them now that the government is trying to set examples.

You oughta hear what they are doing regarding people trying to use and sell raw milk.


18 posted on 05/09/2015 6:29:52 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: cuban leaf

If it’s a question of education, 95% of the kids within inner city public schools should be taken over as they come out of school with even less education than what they just described within the article.


19 posted on 05/09/2015 6:33:25 AM PDT by winner3000
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To: George from New England
Number two ... STAY OFF FACEBOOK.

Absolutely.

She evidently also had a blog about the family homesteading - makes a target for busy-bodies who don't believe in parental authority - nor homeschooling -

Stay under the radar

20 posted on 05/09/2015 6:34:36 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ( million ii, all)
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To: pepsionice

Unschooling and homeschooling are very different.


21 posted on 05/09/2015 6:37:25 AM PDT by csivils
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To: cuban leaf

Looks like a very healthy family - and independent of gov’t control = their “crime”

I hope enough money gets contributed to fight the Gestapo....

https://www.facebook.com/MyBlessedLittleHomestead?fref=ts


22 posted on 05/09/2015 6:38:03 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ( million ii, all)
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To: cuban leaf

The mommy police is no joke, and without a doubt this woman drove them over a well worn edge with her utter disregard for their authority over her. Nonetheless, you should have an idea where your kids are because they are young, inexperienced, and tend to do stupid stuff, we are not spiders.

If you do something heinous, you can bet there will be someone waiting in the wings to push their agenda over it.


23 posted on 05/09/2015 6:43:39 AM PDT by BlackAdderess ("Give me a but a firm spot on which to stand, and I shall move the earth". --Archimedes)
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To: CaptainK
it appears the children might not have been taken because of home schooling but because of dangerous living conditions

Sounds plausible. The article is dreadfully written -- perhaps on purpose.

24 posted on 05/09/2015 6:49:32 AM PDT by BfloGuy ( Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas.)
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To: csivils

To explain the two in simplicity:

Home-schooling is where you have a curriculum, text-books, and you the parent go through a planned training/schooling session with the kid each day. It might be an hour....it might be eight hours. Some testing procedure will occur, and you can certify the kid to some level and show his/her progress.

Unschooling is where you have no curriculum, rarely utilize text-books, and the kid just accidentally picks up what knowledge he acquires. Maybe a really bright smart kid with positive reinforcement around him (academic/smart parents....might come out ahead, but that’s probably one kid out of a hundred). The Unschooled kid doesn’t ever get tested and you can’t certify him to anything.


25 posted on 05/09/2015 6:50:00 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: cuban leaf

Isn’t Rand Paul a senator in this state? He is mister liberty, why doesn’t he do something about this or is he to busy running for President.


26 posted on 05/09/2015 6:50:52 AM PDT by Lets Roll NOW (A baby isn't a punishment, Obama is)
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To: cuban leaf

When the long nose of society enters the tent, we all know that the end of Constitutional Governance is near. Case in point, and they didn’t even need a warrant, just a little intimidation was enough to trump human rights.


27 posted on 05/09/2015 6:52:17 AM PDT by wita
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To: cuban leaf

If you look at the first comment to the link you see what is going on.

These kids are living feral, no utilities, inadequate “shelter”, specifically they are living in makeshift tents. No sanitation, no medical care, no dental care, no clean clothes, no clean dishes, inadequate food, they are living like cavemen. These parents are complete loons and the state took too long to rescue these kids.


28 posted on 05/09/2015 6:53:46 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: cuban leaf

I read this on a site not permitted to be posted here.

The point being missed (without reading all the comments at this moment) is how they were singled out.

Their postings to FB should serve as a warning to EVERYONE using that NSA tool...


29 posted on 05/09/2015 6:54:42 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus-)
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To: logi_cal869

Sometimes I think Facebook is a tool of the devil.


30 posted on 05/09/2015 6:57:40 AM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: maine-iac7

This scenario used to be relegated to Europe, Germany in general.

Becoming far too common here, which is very telling.

All factors taken into consideration, it’s a harbinger of what’s to come.

They say ‘ISIS’ is the enemy; well...my belief is that the truth is, indeed, in an acronym(s).


31 posted on 05/09/2015 6:58:22 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus-)
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To: maine-iac7

That is the truth and we have become the USSA without a fight,,,,,yet.


32 posted on 05/09/2015 6:58:52 AM PDT by winodog (hang on tight to Gods salvation)
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To: cuban leaf

I’m curious about the accusations that they were essentially ‘camping’ 24/7.

If that’s the case, then how was the mom so active on the internet? How did she FB and blog and write articles?


33 posted on 05/09/2015 6:58:58 AM PDT by Marie
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To: CaptainK

Scrolling down the article to the comments section, it appears the children might not have been taken because of home schooling but because of dangerous living conditions.

I’m not sure which is the true scenario, but the article is vague on the facts.

...

There’s always two sides to the story.


34 posted on 05/09/2015 7:00:57 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: winner3000

Hugh, gynormas, mega, colosal, stupendous, gigantic, enormous, B I N G O!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


35 posted on 05/09/2015 7:01:24 AM PDT by wita
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To: logi_cal869

I’m sorry to say, that also applies to Free Republic.

In fact, I bet they follow and monitor us here a LOT more than Face Book.

Most people here are wise to their deceit, and to them, that’s dangerous. If the S really HTF, how many of us would be rounded up?


36 posted on 05/09/2015 7:02:43 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (As we say in the Air Force, "You know you're over the target when you start getting flak!")
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To: maine-iac7

https://www.facebook.com/MyBlessedLittleHomestead?fref=ts

The extent I will go to facebook is:

Cookies blocked, no account for f/b to login to when I visit the link. I can see very little but I WILL NOT LET ‘THEM’ TRACK ME.


37 posted on 05/09/2015 7:03:24 AM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: cuban leaf

Beautiful, healthy children. I hope they are ok


38 posted on 05/09/2015 7:03:36 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (The Sting of a Reproach is the Truth of it. Ben Franklin)
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To: BlackAdderess

They do not live in stick supported tarped hovel in the winter in Kentucky. It gets down to zero in the winter. CPS is spending a ton of money housing these 10. I kind of hope the kids are prepared to be pains to someone.


39 posted on 05/09/2015 7:04:00 AM PDT by healy61
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To: pepsionice

No offense, but if you think a diploma from a public school guarantees some level of acedemic competence, you are sadly mistaken. Public schools regularly grant diplomas to “students” where “One kid might read at the 3rd grade level and the next kid might read at the 9nd grade level. One kid might have a 12th grade grasp of math and the next kid might have the 4th grade grasp of math.”

Unschooling is certainly not my preferred method, but at least the children aren’t being indoctrinated under the guise of “education.” When a public school teacher is brought up on charges for constant failure, then I will believe the state cares about education. Until that happens, every “educational” kidnapping is patently a witch hunt.


40 posted on 05/09/2015 7:04:10 AM PDT by antidisestablishment (#Draw, Mohammed!)
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To: sport

This is an extremely Low Information Article. If the author stated something regarding the lack of information I would feel better. As it is, I’m as suspicious of the writer as I am the government in this case. And I’m very suspicious of them.

So I’ll ask here: what are the allegations.


41 posted on 05/09/2015 7:04:26 AM PDT by samtheman ( BushClinton. The Yesterday Candidate.)
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To: Alas Babylon!

On your latter: A discussion well worth the time, but not in a public forum for the obvious.


42 posted on 05/09/2015 7:06:24 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus-)
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To: healy61

“CPS is spending a ton of money housing these 10”

CPS will extort this money back from the parents (child support crap) or their bank account will be seized. Out of control govt at every level.


43 posted on 05/09/2015 7:08:53 AM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: cuban leaf
Why can't the Naugler parents simply let their kids go to government schools. They provide such a great educational experience!

Baltimore is a good example. Why, Baltimore spends $17,196 per student! Only a mere 55 percent of Baltimore fourth graders scored "below basic" in reading while a whopping 14 percent scored at the proficient or advanced level! Meanwhile, a miniscule 54 percent of eighth graders scored "below basic" in math, while an astounding 13 percent were proficient or advanced!

I'll bet the Naugler family can't even come close to that achievement level. Besides, I don't see any Social Services experts needing to ride to the rescue in Baltimore like they need to do on the Blessed Little Homestead!

44 posted on 05/09/2015 7:09:05 AM PDT by Gritty (The more we submit to violent jihadi intimidation, the more we are going to get-Robert Spencer)
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To: Marie

went to the library


45 posted on 05/09/2015 7:17:29 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: pepsionice
The Amish have been “unschooling” their children in this country for 150 years. Their children learn farming, woodworking, metalworking, textiles, etc. Very little public education or formal homeschooling. They have managed to preserve their way of life and values.
46 posted on 05/09/2015 7:18:58 AM PDT by libertymaker
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To: pepsionice

Would you presume them more or less fit for citizenry than the bottom 50% of urban children that have attended public school?


47 posted on 05/09/2015 7:26:45 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: logi_cal869

On the contrary, I WANT them to consider us dangerous, to see how we defy them, to observe us constantly articulating our rights and willingness to die for them.

Let them observe, monitor, log, take note, jot down, collect the data, record, make a list until the cows come home. I hope they spend all their waking hours obsessed with us. I hope they fret, worry, have concerns, feel frustration, and get mentally tormented.

A free people MUST stand up to this; not cower. I’m not saying you are suggesting we cower, but my point is I’m not going to stop posting or try to hide my identity.

F’em.


48 posted on 05/09/2015 7:29:08 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (As we say in the Air Force, "You know you're over the target when you start getting flak!")
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To: cuban leaf

In most states it’s much easier to find and buy 180 proof Vodka than Raw Milk.

One is an addictive poison and the other is good for you.


49 posted on 05/09/2015 7:33:44 AM PDT by proudpapa (Scott Walker - 2016)
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To: cuban leaf

http://kathrynbrightbill.com/post/118481565656/here-are-7-surprising-things-you-need-to-know

Naugles are scary freaky


50 posted on 05/09/2015 7:42:06 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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