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To: HiTech RedNeck
Be honest: the South at the time stunk in a lot of ways.

Massachusetts never outlawed slavery until after the War of Agression. But Massachusetts was happy to make a lot of money off of the war, the uniforms, the ammunition and the rifles. Does that stink too?

And northerners have been happy ever since to re-write the history of what really happened.

I hope you are aware that there were thousands of blacks who owned slaves in the south and thousands of whites who did not. The first person who petitioned to have his indentured servant became a slave was...are you ready...was a black. And do you know that some slaves petitioned to go back into slavery because they were having a hard time taking care of themselves. Some things haven't changed.

58 posted on 06/21/2015 6:49:38 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: ladyjane

Nobody’s wearing perfect halos here.

Chattel slaves were a “karmic” (so to speak) ball and chain upon anyone who had them, in North or in South.

The affrontery of the South was a bit greater in the situation, though. They went and declared themselves free.. the Lord was like, not so fast, not when your slaves aren’t free.


59 posted on 06/21/2015 6:53:27 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: ladyjane
thousands of blacks who owned slaves in the south

Thousnds? Probably democRATs.

and thousands of whites who did not

Probably not RATs.

69 posted on 06/21/2015 7:05:08 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: ladyjane

“Massachusetts never outlawed slavery until after the War of Agression.”

Uh, I believe MA was the first “state” to outlaw it?

I recall that at the Constitutional Convention, it was the only state that had done so.

Perhaps I am remembering wrongly.


72 posted on 06/21/2015 7:07:05 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: ladyjane

I’ve seen photos of blacks wearing Confederate uniforms.

Maybe they were promised their freedom if they fought the Yankees.

Also, a captured Confederate soldier in Virginia was asked by a Union officer why he was fighting. The Confederate soldier said, “Because you’re HERE!”


104 posted on 06/21/2015 8:36:29 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (The so-called Southern Poverty Law Center is a hate group.)
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To: ladyjane

You’re doing a great job of defending slavery. Nice work!


105 posted on 06/21/2015 8:37:08 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: ladyjane
Massachusetts never outlawed slavery until after the War of Agression.

Slavery ended in Massachusetts in 1783 when the state supreme court ruled it unconstitutional based on the 1780 Constitution.

And northerners have been happy ever since to re-write the history of what really happened.

I see that re-writing history certainly isn't only a Northern trait.

116 posted on 06/22/2015 4:02:16 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: ladyjane

Prior to 1807 most slaves ships flew the USA ensign and were registered in Massachusetts and other Yankee states.


131 posted on 06/22/2015 2:31:22 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: ladyjane; HiTech RedNeck; rockrr
ladyjane: "Massachusetts never outlawed slavery until after the War of Agression."

Where in the world do you people come up with such garbage?
Massachusetts was one of the first northern states to outlaw slavery, in 1783.

So you don't embarrass yourself again on this, here is a timeline of who abolished slavery when.

ladyjane: "But Massachusetts was happy to make a lot of money off of the war, the uniforms, the ammunition and the rifles. Does that stink too?"

Every northern state contributed both blood and treasure to the Union, and Massachusetts was not the biggest manufacturer.
The Confederacy also had industries devoted to war materials production, though substantially fewer, resulting in Confederate troops often poorly equipped and supplied.

ladyjane: "And northerners have been happy ever since to re-write the history of what really happened."

Nothing posted on the pro-Union side here even comes close to the cockamamie nonsense you pro-Confederates concoct for every occasion, FRiend.

ladyjane: "I hope you are aware that there were thousands of blacks who owned slaves in the south and thousands of whites who did not."

In 1860 there were about four million black slaves and half a million freed blacks.
About 13,000 slaves (three tenths of 1%) were owned by 4,000 black slave owners, 80% of those in Louisiana, South Carolina, Virginia & Maryland.
The majority of black slave owners were mixed-race.

The numbers of white slave-owning families was nearly 50% in the Deep South, falling nearer to 10% in Border States.
So the dividing line between southern states which joined the Confederacy, versus those which did not was about 20%.
Border States of Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland, western Virginia and Delaware all had fewer than 20% slave owning families, and so refused to join the Confederacy.

ladyjane: "And do you know that some slaves petitioned to go back into slavery because they were having a hard time taking care of themselves."

Selling oneself into slavery to pay off debts was a practice as old as civilization, but there are no records I know of, of slaves having once escaped to freedom in the North, voluntarily returning South to slavery.

140 posted on 06/23/2015 5:05:20 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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