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Warning: Herbal Remedies are just untested, unverified, impure drugs. (Loved one poisoned by tea.)
vanity | 7-10-15 | vanity

Posted on 07/10/2015 1:02:09 AM PDT by dangus

My wife is in the hospital because of herbal tea. (Prayers are welcome, thank you.) I consider this news because hopefully the events of the evening will lead to a nation-wide recall, and if not, they should.

Please allow me to reiterate for everyone's health and safety: "All-natural remedies" are NOT safer than "Big Pharma" (a.k.a. medicine).

Here's what a drug is:

Someone identifies an herbal remedy. They identify the effective ingredient and purify it from any other ingredients which may cause side effects or be unhealthy or even toxic or simply reduce effectiveness. They may discover and include slight chemical changes to the ingredient which increase effectiveness or reduce side effects. They then rigorously test the substance for side effects, toxicity, addictiveness, or any other negative effects. Then they have to prove its effectiveness and safety to the government to a scientific certainty. Then they determine if it might interact with any conceivable other medications or medical conditions. Finally, by offering it as a recommended substance to patients, they assume liability for any harm it might do to a patient because they failed to test it enough.

"All natural remedies" don't have to be purified, proven safe or effective, and no-one assumes liability for anything, and no-one tests it for interactions, toxicity or the like.

Had this been a drug, there might be some six-figure settlement involved eventually. As it stands, I'm not optimistic because people who shell natural remedies... no scratch that: untested drugs in the raw... assume much less legal responsibility.

You would want a professional engineer, not some hippy day-dreamer, to design your airplane. Likewise, you should want a pharmaceutical professional, not some hippy day-dreamer to design your medicine.


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To: healy61

It was a detox tea, supposedly simply for helping flush toxins out of your system. It said nothing about this primarily being because it’s a powerful diuretic, but the exposure to the summer heat despite such loss of body fluids probably at least exacerbated the toxic effects.


41 posted on 07/10/2015 5:46:05 AM PDT by dangus
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To: bert

No, if it were, I would certainly name the tea, wouldn’t I?


42 posted on 07/10/2015 5:47:33 AM PDT by dangus
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

My brother was downwind of a bunch of burning poison sumac as a youth. Damn near killed him, naturally.


43 posted on 07/10/2015 5:52:43 AM PDT by Mycroft Holmes (The fool is always greater than the proof.)
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To: freeangel

What do you mean “epidemic?” The CDC is certainly warning people that it is a dangerous, common, and growing danger. I hope you find a effective treatment. The process to find a treatment and determine its efficacy and safety is certainly a long one, and obviously, if none of the treatments passed through it entirely, well, yes, then it makes sense to move on to one which hasn’t. (Several treatments HAVE been found for Lyme’s disease, but they are less effective if the disease went undiagnosed for a long time.) But please understand the warning about “natural” remedies not having to have their efficacy or safety demonstrated! Be careful! Do NOT take colloidal silver!


44 posted on 07/10/2015 5:54:36 AM PDT by dangus
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To: freeangel
What “remedy” are you speaking of? As a chronic Lyme sufferer which the CDC and the Infectious Disease Centers refuse to acknowledge as the epidemic it is and is becoming more widespread, I am left with few choices BUT natural remedies to combat this horrible disease. I do know that one has to carefully research what dosages are used and the sources.

I am sorry about your Lyme disease. I had it when living in CT in 1997, but was fortunate that it was caught early. 25% of the households in our town (Hampton, CT) had a Lyme sufferer that year. Regular, cheap anti-biotics knocked it out completely. But I caught it early. My landlord's wife tried the natural remedies first, butthey were ineffective. She was also helped by regular anti-biotics. They may be overprescribed, but Lyme is one thing they can work well ion (IF caught early).
45 posted on 07/10/2015 6:02:57 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: dangus

Most drugs are in fact not subjected to the tests we think the they are, some drugs are actually barely tested or not tested at all.


46 posted on 07/10/2015 6:21:02 AM PDT by stockpirate (A corrupt government is the real enemy of the people.)
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To: dangus

Sorry for the problems.

Three years ago after 5 years of eating fast food I had the required HA. Triple by-pass, doctorhad me on 5-6 different meds.

I read Dr. Youngs book The Ph Mircle and tried drinking wheat grass every day. In four months my bp was 115/67, hr 65. The doctor took me off ALL meds.

My vitals remain in that same area.


47 posted on 07/10/2015 6:29:30 AM PDT by stockpirate (A corrupt government is the real enemy of the people.)
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To: John Valentine

I was going to say...I don’t understand how ingesting a metal could be beneficial in any kind of way.


48 posted on 07/10/2015 6:54:33 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (("This is a Laztatorship. You don't like it, get a day's rations and get out of this office."))
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To: John Valentine

” Silver is a heavy metal - stay away. “

Silver nitrate, though, which btw contains silver, has several medically accepted uses:

https://www.google.com/search?q=silver+nitrate+medications&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Also, life as we know it couldn’t exist without several heavy metals, including cobalt, copper, zinc, chromium, selenium, and iron.


49 posted on 07/10/2015 6:56:15 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: dangus

Just FYI...the whole detox fad is useless at best and often dangersous, according to most doctors. The body is well-equipped to get rid of toxins on its own via the liver and kidneys.

BTW, I sent up a prayer for your ex-wife.


50 posted on 07/10/2015 7:00:22 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (("This is a Laztatorship. You don't like it, get a day's rations and get out of this office."))
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To: CatherineofAragon
I was going to say...I don’t understand how ingesting a metal could be beneficial in any kind of way.

Try cutting all the iron out of your diet for a while.

51 posted on 07/10/2015 7:02:11 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Westbrook

Wonder if it’s that Dieters Tea. I’ve heard some people got real sick and other died from taking it.


52 posted on 07/10/2015 7:06:19 AM PDT by uncitizen (PC is lying, any way you look at it)
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To: dangus

Actually, I d have colloidal silver, but it can turn you a permanent shade of gray/blue if overdosed. And it must be used with other detoxifiers.


53 posted on 07/10/2015 7:14:32 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: tacticalogic

No thanks, as a woman I need it. My body wasn’t made to ingest heavy metals.


54 posted on 07/10/2015 7:18:56 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (("This is a Laztatorship. You don't like it, get a day's rations and get out of this office."))
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To: CatherineofAragon
My body wasn’t made to ingest heavy metals.

It might not need them, but there is no escaping the fact that you live in an environment where they exist and can find their way into the food we eat. Our bodies have to be made to deal with at least as much as we'd normally encounter or we wouldn't survive.

55 posted on 07/10/2015 7:31:01 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

Insect parts might find their way into my body somehow, too, but I’m not going to go out and chow down on them.


56 posted on 07/10/2015 7:33:48 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (("This is a Laztatorship. You don't like it, get a day's rations and get out of this office."))
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To: CatherineofAragon
Insect parts might find their way into my body somehow, too, but I’m not going to go out and chow down on them.

And that is and should be your choice to make.

The danger is in the unintended consequences of putting "if it isn't good for you, you shouldn't have it" into a political context.

57 posted on 07/10/2015 7:40:51 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: dangus

Detox

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http://www.tripleleaf-tea.com/tea_type/detox/


58 posted on 07/10/2015 7:47:36 AM PDT by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: dangus

Aspirin and ibuprofen can send my child to the hospital. No recall on it. Just touching it can cause a reaction. I know others with the same condition. But it is relatively rare for that to happen.

One of our children has a bad reaction to drinking certain herbal teas and taking medicine at the same time. Any tea with bergamot orange in it will do this. And plain grapefruit or grapefruit juice causes the same problems. For some reason, grapefruit juice and/or bergamot orange cause your body to absorb some medicines at a rate 4 times (not sure exact number) what it would normally. This could cause a person to have a toxic dose whereas if the same med taken with water is no problem.


59 posted on 07/10/2015 8:03:41 AM PDT by petitfour
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To: tacticalogic

“Political context?” Want to show me where I did that?

Ingesting colloidal silver produces buildup in the brain, kidneys, and nervous system. The damage is irreversible and can lead to organ failure. It’s a toxic substance.

Attempting to equate it to dietary iron doesn’t work.


60 posted on 07/10/2015 8:06:56 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (("This is a Laztatorship. You don't like it, get a day's rations and get out of this office."))
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