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Analysts: Beijing Parade a 'Bazaar' of Stolen Technology
Voice of America ^ | September 04, 2015 | Saibal Dasgupta

Posted on 09/04/2015 6:12:26 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

BEIJING—The massive military parade in Beijing this week showcased China’s latest weapons, unveiling many to the public for the first time. But weapons experts say the systems on display showed hallmarks of China’s reputation for stealing technology and adapting it to its requirements.

The show involved long, medium and short range missiles, a range of tanks and 200 fighter aircraft. The Chinese government said that all the equipment had been made indigenously, attesting to the success of the country’s military industrial capability and the estimated $145 billion spent on the military in 2015.

“The parade was a bazaar of stolen intellectual property,” said Michael Raska, senior fellow at the Singapore-based Institute of Defense and Strategic Studies.

The researcher said it is possible to identify components and designs in different equipment, which have been sourced from other countries in a dubious manner.

Cloned technology

Citing a specific example, Raska said, “The HQ-6A launchers that we saw at the parade are based conceptually on the cloned Italian Alenia Aspide missile, itself which is based on the US RIM-7E/F Sparrow.”

Military vehicles carry radar arrays for HQ-6A surface-to-air missile batteries during a parade commemorating the 70th anniversary of Japan's surrender during World War II held in front of Tiananmen Gate in Beijing, Sept. 3, 2015.

Raska said the Chinese J-15 naval fighter is based on adaptation of Russia’s Sukhoi Su-33.

The United States has repeatedly accused China in recent years of cybertheft of U.S. technology and weapons systems on a grand scale. U.S. defense contractors have alleged that China’s J-31 stealth fighter is largely based on stolen technology of the U.S. F-35.

A KJ-200 airborne early warning and control plane, left, a Y-8J radar plane, center, and a Y-9JB radar plane, right, fly in formation during a parade commemorating the 70th anniversary of Japan's surrender during World War II in Beijing, Sept. 3, 2015.

The United States last year said that Chinese army hackers had stolen trade secrets from six U.S. nuclear, steel and clean-energy companies, directly resulting in “substantial” loss of jobs, competitive edge and markets.

“This is a case alleging economic espionage by members of the Chinese military… to advantage state-owned companies and other interests in China,” then-U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder said.

But Raska said China has passed the stage where they were “emulators and copiers” and reached what experts describe as the point of “IDAR,” which means identify, digest, absorb and reinvest technologies.

Mix-and-match

Analysts said it is not easy for countries and companies that produced an original technology to prove that it was stolen by China. Component designs are mixed and matched across different categories of weapons before they are remodeled and manufactured in China.

China may also be using its diplomatic relationships with countries that have acquired Western weapons and do not mind passing on acquired technologies to Chinese scientists.

But even with such technology sharing from countries friendly with China, Jagganath Panda, a research fellow at the Institute of Defense Studies and Analysis, said the country’s investments in its military have paid off.

“We need to accept that China has been hugely successful in developing a strong military industrial production capability,” he said.

In recent years China has sold drones, warships, submarines and air defense systems to developing countries, becoming the world’s third largest arms exporter behind the United States and Russia.

Indeed, one major point of Thursday’s military parade may have been to display the country's newest advanced systems to interested buyers, and bolster China’s reputation as an emerging military power.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: armsbuildup; china; chinatechnology; chinatechnologytheft; chinaweapons; espionage; h1b; immigration; intellectualproperty; military
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1 posted on 09/04/2015 6:12:26 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Thank you, Bill Clinton. You traitorous pos.


2 posted on 09/04/2015 6:19:39 AM PDT by boycott (S)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

What does it matter that they stole it? What matters is they have it, they’ve built upon it and they’re going to use it.


3 posted on 09/04/2015 6:27:48 AM PDT by PeteePie (Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people - Proverbs 14:34)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

One way to tell if Alien UFOs exist that we have back engineered is to see wait and if China starts building flying saucers...

How do you say “Thanks Bill Clinton” in Klingon???


4 posted on 09/04/2015 6:30:37 AM PDT by GraceG (Protect the Border from Illegal Aliens, Don't Protect Illegal Alien Boarders...)
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To: boycott

bttt


5 posted on 09/04/2015 6:30:41 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

China copies and does not create, they have no R & D like American companies and their manufacturing is not based on years of trial and error, field testing, use and customer feed back. It is just a copy.

They are producing bulldozers that are identical to some of the current Caterpillar models, D7 & D8.

They are junk, the availability is +/- 50%, parts are made to order not stocked, workmanship is poor and there is no recourse for the purchaser/user.

China is not the Tiger it claims to be...


6 posted on 09/04/2015 6:32:25 AM PDT by Rumplemeyer (The GOP should stand its ground - and fix Bayonets)
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To: PeteePie
What does it matter that they stole it? What matters is they have it, they’ve built upon it and they’re going to use it.

Well, yeah - though I think they will be very careful about using it.

Somalia (for that matter, North Korea) can steal technology, but can't really do anything with it. If China is capable of making and deploying modern weapons systems, it doesn't really matter who invented them.

7 posted on 09/04/2015 6:33:51 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (Heteropatriarchal Capitalist)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

One old trick that some may not have heard about: at a trade show a Chinese comes along to a display of liquids, accidentally leans over too far and his tie dips into the liquid. Chinese then profusely apologizes rushes back yo his hotel to change, takes tie and send off by some rush delivery service to Beijing where the tie is analyzed. And through the miracle of reverse engineering the Chinese can now make that liquid. No traditional espionage needed.

All kinds of these “espionage” events go on daily at companies, trade shows, and so forth. The Chinese have an organized effort to get as much Western tech as possible - their aim: the next Super-weapon, aka Project 863.


8 posted on 09/04/2015 6:38:41 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

The problem the Chicoms have with this is system integration. They steal a bunch of systems then try to make them work together. This is particularly true in naval applications,.


9 posted on 09/04/2015 6:46:56 AM PDT by phormer phrog phlyer
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To: PeteePie

Been happening for centuries.

Cant hate the player, nor the game.


10 posted on 09/04/2015 6:49:53 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: Rumplemeyer
They are junk, the availability is +/- 50%, parts are made to order not stocked, workmanship is poor and there is no recourse for the purchaser/user.

Chinese students, scientists and teachers are also copies of the real thing.

11 posted on 09/04/2015 7:00:08 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (We have had enough of immorality and the mockery of ethics, goodness, faith and honesty.)
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To: GraceG

“How do you say “Thanks Bill Clinton” in Klingon???”

-translated- “roSenQatlh bill clinton”

Easy with our Klingon translator;

http://www.bing.com/translator


12 posted on 09/04/2015 7:10:12 AM PDT by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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To: Rumplemeyer
This is what will happen
13 posted on 09/04/2015 7:34:24 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Ok. We won't call them 'Anchor Babies'. From now on, we shall call them 'Fetal Grappling Hooks'.)
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To: boycott

You can thank every President and Congress as well.

The H-1B foreign workers displacing American workers are the primary source of this issue. American companies hire foreign workers who steal everything they get their hands on. I’ve known foreign workers who were required by their foreign companies to send everything home; every email, software source code, electronics diagram, employee handbook, meeting minutes, project management database, everything. They did so diligently.

American companies are beyond dumb for hiring H-1B foreign workers.


14 posted on 09/04/2015 7:39:35 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Bill Clinton should be Grand Marshall.


15 posted on 09/04/2015 7:40:35 AM PDT by dead ("I'm up to my eyeball in virgin goats!" - Mullah Omar)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

WOW! So many people on FR beat me to thanking BILL CLINTON, for giving the Chinese our military secrets.


16 posted on 09/04/2015 8:08:40 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: GraceG
How do you say “Thanks Bill Clinton” in Klingon???

"P'tahk"

17 posted on 09/04/2015 8:14:27 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Democracy is not freedom. Democracy is simply majoritarianism. It is incompatible with real freedom.)
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To: Parmenio; ColdOne; Yossarian; knittnmom; sf4dubya; Mr. Peabody; wally_bert; dowcaet; ...
H-1B ping. Let me know if you're not on the list and want to be added (or are and want to be removed).

The H-1B foreign workers displacing American workers are the primary source of this issue. American companies hire foreign workers who steal everything they get their hands on. I’ve known foreign workers who were required by their foreign companies to send everything home; every email, software source code, electronics diagram, employee handbook, meeting minutes, project management database, everything. They did so diligently.

American companies are beyond dumb for hiring H-1B foreign workers.

18 posted on 09/04/2015 8:32:19 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (a "guest worker" is a stateless person with no ties to any community, only to his paymaster)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

You can also thank our weapons designers, Congress and our military strategists. Didn’t take much for Iran (and China) to nick a Lockheed Martin RQ-170 Sentinel unmanned aerial vehicle simply by using a stronger control signal. I mean, the satellite repeated control instructions were unencrypted!! Or shall we mention the thousands of Humvees that fell into ISIS hands? We really need to refix to the center of our scope the message that STUPIDITY KILLS!


19 posted on 09/04/2015 9:50:04 AM PDT by Yollopoliuhqui
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To: ConservingFreedom

Trump needs to speak up on that


20 posted on 09/04/2015 3:22:44 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, WIN LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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