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How many, how powerful a gun do you need and how much ammo?

Posted on 12/06/2015 6:35:04 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Hard to say. How many and how powerful were the guns used to bring down the two Muslim terrorists in San Bernardino?

What if it is just you standing in defense of your family?


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To: Jim Robinson
I have tried to really think hard about it, and I might be compelled to agree with controlling the 19th century duck poaching punt guns that were a rod long, but that is as far as I would go.

A game warden enforcing bag limits would have an easy time of it if anyone was seen with one of those punt guns in a carrier rack on their truck. The ATF would not need to be involved at all.

161 posted on 12/06/2015 9:40:09 PM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: Irish Eyes
I am one of them. Do any gun ranges let you try them out?

Most ranges have a set of rental guns and a retail operation to sell new ones. Training classes help keep the budget solvent. Take a basic class. Warm up with simple pistols like the Ruger MKIII in .22LR to work on marksmanship. Move up to a 38SPL revolver e.g. Ruger GP100 or S&W 686 to get accustomed to the extra recoil of a centerfire round. Get your feet wet with semi-auto with a 9mm (Glock/Ruger/Springfield/Sig). Find something that you enjoy shooting and shoot well before spending money to own one. If concealed carry is a consideration, check availability of holsters and find one that you can comfortably conceal while standing/sitting/driving.

162 posted on 12/06/2015 9:47:12 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: MHGinTN

Thanks.


163 posted on 12/06/2015 10:01:49 PM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: VerySadAmerican
VerySadAmerican said: "My opinion is if those two come at you with two AR15s you’d need an AR15 and you’d have to be the one to shoot first."

I think you are describing an unlikely scenario.

Most likely is that you find yourself in a place where almost everybody is disarmed. The bad guys, probably one or two of them, arrive and begin shooting fish in a barrel. They will turn their attention first to those closest to them for obvious tactical reasons.

They won't be paying attention to where they are shooting, but rather where they are about to shoot.

For best effect you want to be as far from them as possible while still being able to hit them one-half or one-third of the time.

When the shooting starts you want to make yourself as small as possible and take advantage of any cover available.

If practical, you want to shoot at the bad guy closest to you at a time when he is not looking in your direction and while he is firing. With all the noise and commotion, you hope that his first inkling that somebody is trying to kill him is when one of your bullets pierces his heart or his brain.

The attackers have the advantage of having ambushed a space full of helpless people. That advantage reverses when you arm yourself and fire back. For at least a few confusing seconds they won't have a clue what you are up to.

And finally, don't waste ammo. Every shot should be carefully aimed to stop the attack. If two shots to center-of-mass don't stop the attacker, switch to head shots. If one of two attackers is firing in your direction and the other isn't, aim for the one who threatens you most.

For my advice to be worthwhile, you must be at least as good a shot as your attacker. They probably aren't aiming at all; just pointing. They might get lucky and hit you before you hit them. But that is not the way to bet.

Finally, don't give up if you are hit. Half of the people hit in San Bernardino survived the attack. I don't know how many people were not wounded.

164 posted on 12/06/2015 10:07:16 PM PST by William Tell
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To: EternalVigilance
EternalVigilance said: My answer will be, then, "more than them."

A drill sergeant asks a recruit, "What would you do if I suddenly appeared at the top of that sand dune with a tank?"

The recruit responded, "Why, Drill Sergeant, I would blast the tank to smithereens using the big guns on my battleship!"

"Battleship?", said the drill sergeant. "Where in the world would you get a battleship?"

"The same place you got the tank, Drill Sergeant!"

The moral of the story, of course, is that there is no consideration of fighting "fair". The object is to have sufficient force available to annihilate your enemy with little or no risk to yourself.

If somebody is standing in front of your car about to shoot you with a pistol, do you grab your rifle and jump out of the car firing? Or do simply jam your foot on the gas pedal and run them down with your 3000 pound vehicle?

165 posted on 12/06/2015 10:20:28 PM PST by William Tell
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To: William Tell

Thanks for expanding on my point so well.


166 posted on 12/06/2015 10:43:53 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: VerySadAmerican

Not enough fire power dude!

AR-15 can lay down some serious grief up to 300 yards. It has lost a lot of energy after 300 but can still kill you.

AR-10 Heavier bullet, longer range much more energy and will defeat most vests but not a vest with plates such as the military uses.

Remington Model 700 in 308 or 30-06. With a good scope and steady hands 500 yard shots can be made. The one the army snipers use with a fantastic scope on it will do 1000 yard shots but you can not afford this one.

A good quality handgun in caliber 40 or 45m even a 9mm if you use some of the very hot defense loads. The high capacity mags available in 9mm make it an appealing weapon. But of those above the weapons, the best you shoot with is the weapon you want.

Practice Practice Practice and then Practice some more.

Your ammunition stores should be based on the premise that you can not buy any tomorrow.

The best gunfight is the one that does not happen. If your life or those you love are in danger be mentally prepared to use quick efficient deadly force.


167 posted on 12/06/2015 10:54:52 PM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR)
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To: Jim Robinson

Give me a nest (suppilied with a 30-06 / 4-12x Leupold - even a .270 ) and I daresay that anything that walks into an approx. 400 yd range will never walk out. Close quarters is another story.


168 posted on 12/06/2015 11:06:59 PM PST by Kaosinla (The More the Plans Fail. The More the Planners Plan.)
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To: doorgunner69
I know that you mean.
Fit to your hand is extremely important.
That's why I have Pearce Grip +1 Mag Extension for my magazines, watch because it really helps my grip .
169 posted on 12/07/2015 12:10:47 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: yetidog
Look up photos of "backface trauma".

A 9mm hit on body armor may not kill, but, I guarantee that the recipient will experience significant pain and shock -- and will be distracted from shooting you or anyone else.

Aim a round or two to the torso, then concentrate on the head. Very good likelihood of neutralizing the target...

170 posted on 12/07/2015 12:32:59 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias. "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: Cobra64
"What make and model .22 rifle?"

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

#1 best overall choice: Ruger 10/22, Bought mine in 1967, and, thousands of rounds later, head shot kills on squirrels -- in t-a-l-l trees -- are almost guaranteed.

And there are more aftermarket accessories/mods for the 10/22 than for 'most any other rifle.

or

Yep, those are all the same .22 rifle!

171 posted on 12/07/2015 12:55:04 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias. "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: TXnMA

nice set up! Thanks!


172 posted on 12/07/2015 1:03:40 AM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: arthurus

I dont think large cal rifles are safe for home defense..

shotgun and soft handgun rounds for me...I like my neighbors...houses are 20 feet apart...on both sides.

imo


173 posted on 12/07/2015 1:28:52 AM PST by Therapsid ( would rather have HER beside mw)
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To: Therapsid

.223 (AR-15) is a small caliber rifle, high power but small caliber. It is not so suitable for home defense. Shotguns are better for that but unwieldy in an immediate situation. A handgun with Corbon ammo is a lot better for home defense.


174 posted on 12/07/2015 3:39:00 AM PST by arthurus (Het is waar. Tutti i liberali sono feccia.)
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To: Jim Robinson

“How many, how powerful a gun do you need and how much ammo?”
The basics:
For home defense- A 12 gauge pump shotgun, 25 rounds of reduced recoil buckshot. 25 rounds of reduced recoil slugs.

Concealed carry- Glock subcompact 9mm or equivalent, 1 box of 50 rounds of ammo. Or 38/357 revolver w 2-3 inch barrel, 1 box of 50 rounds ammo. DO NOT get a hammerless revolver (I have an unhealthy dislike for crippled revolvers). If you are worried about the hammer snagging put your thumb on it when you draw.
NOTE: Ammo selection is critical. Dont cheap out, buy high quality defense ammo for serious use. Cheap stuff is for practice.


175 posted on 12/07/2015 4:58:25 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (It's the apocalypse, lets have some fun!)
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To: Cobra64

Heritage


176 posted on 12/07/2015 5:18:05 AM PST by VerySadAmerican
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To: demkicker

True that...


177 posted on 12/07/2015 5:29:05 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: MHGinTN

I already have one and people suggest to take it to a gunsmith and they can fix a few things to make it work better with other ammunition.


178 posted on 12/07/2015 6:11:09 AM PST by Sawdring
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To: Sawdring
'Most' Sig pistols have heavy DA trigger pulls. The springs are easily replaced for trigger and hammer. BUT, don't go too soft because firing pin strikes can get too soft.

I purchased a Sig 9mm P series single stack which had seen light duty as a cop gun in Europe. The trigger on DA was so bad that first shots at ten yards in quick draw would miss a man-sized target! I replaced the spring to fourteen pounds then had to go to sixteen to get consistent primer strikes.

Euro ammo tends to have harder primers than American manufacture. With a rim fire like the Mosquito, going below a certain strike poundage causes more problems than it fixes. When ordering the springs, specify the make and model and you will see a range of spring tensions. NEVER go to the softest unless you're working on a bolt gun.

179 posted on 12/07/2015 6:53:53 AM PST by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: Sawdring

To replace the hammer spring is really quite simple on a Sig. Take the grips off, then cock the hammer (of an empty gun of course) and notice the little hole in the strut around which the spring is mounted. Put a straightened paper clip into the hole and decock the hammer. The strut will be loose then. To put the new spring on the strut, use a clamp to hold the strut while you slide the spring on and compress it enough to get the paper clip back into the hole, then set it in place and cock the hammer then remove the paper clip. Easy fix for heavy hammer springs.


180 posted on 12/07/2015 7:03:13 AM PST by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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