Tell us how those values are different from 0boz0's -- for example -- and why conservatives in ALL states shouldn't reject them as well!
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Or -- is that how things normally are in your
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Posted on 01/15/2016 1:41:05 PM PST by Brices Crossroads
Watching the Fox Business News debate last night, in particular Donald Trump's savage rejoinder to Ted Cruz's attack on "New York Values", I was reminded of a debate over twenty five years ago when another young Senator found himself on the receiving end of a similar shiv in the ribs from a more seasoned competitor.
In the 1988 Vice Presidential debate, Senator Dan Quayle was attempting to allay fears that he was too young (41) for the job. He compared his level of experience to that of John F. Kennedy at a similar point in their careers. His opponent, Texas Senator Lloyd Bentsen, stood and watched until Quayle finished and then uncorked among the most memorable lines in American political history: "Senator, I knew Jack Kennedy, I served with Jack Kennedy, Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy." Quayle stood frozen at his podium, head down as Bentsen slowly and deliberately delivered the line, as if waiting for the blade of the guillotine to drop. When is was over with Quayle could only respond weakly, "That as uncalled for, Senator." Perhaps it was. I certainly thought so. But that single line, perfectly delivered, spelled the end of Dan Quayle as a political figure of consequence.
Fast forward to the debate last night. Ted Cruz set forth his bill of particulars against New York's sins of social liberalism (which actually afflict the entire country in varying degrees) in a rather transparent attempt to pander to the evangelicals in Iowa. When Cruz had finished Trump slowly and deliberately, in hushed tones, painted a picture of New York and New Yorkers as resilient and brave in the aftermath of 9/11. As Bentsen had hearkened back to a martyred President, Trump channeled the New York Fire Fighters and other heroes of September 11. The reaction was so electric that Cruz actually joined the audience in clapping for his opponent. By the time Trump turned to look at him and call him out to his face, Cruz just stood there mute with a sheepish smile on his face, like a beaten puppy. I was embarrassed for him. The optics of the exchange were so devastating for Cruz that it is hard to see how he recovers. The fact that Trump had telegraphed earlier in that day that he intended to allude to 9/11 made it all the more perplexing that Cruz, a reputedly seasoned debater, was unprepared for it and in fact doubled down on his earlier statements, leaving himself wide open to Trump's thrust. While Quayle was caught by surprise, Cruz was hoisted by his own petard.
Finally, pandering on social issues, such as abortion and gay marriage, is standard fare in a GOP primary. GOP candidates have been doing so for well over a quarter of a century. On the the rare occasions when the GOP has won elections in the last 25-30 years, the results for social conservatives have been underwhelming. I must confess that I have been taken in by this pandering more than once, because of my desire to see Roe v. Wade consigned to the ash heap of judicial history. No more. The candidates who shout the loudest and promise the most on this score never get around to the fact that a President's power to affect these issues is severely limited. From now on, it is not who yells the loudest about abortion that will get my vote, but the candidate who, I believe, will fight the hardest and most effectively to get his court appointments confirmed. Donald Trump has said that his favorite Supreme Court Justice is Clarence Thomas, the most conservative Justice on the Court and among the most conservative in history. I have no doubt that Trump would use his powers of persuasion and negotiation, including brass knuckled threats of political retribution against Senators, in order to get his nominations confirmed.
While Ted Cruz is certainly willing to talk about the social issues, at least in Iowa (if not at his fundraisers in Manhattan), I do not believe he would be nearly as effective in nominating conservative judges and, more to the point, getting them confirmed.
Butt hurt is a New York value. But have no fear, your liberal hellhole as a proctologist on every corner. Good luck!
Have you forgotten that there’s a GOP primary in N.Y., which has a LOT of delegates?
Obviously Cruz has.
Yeah, Obama only won Manhattan 93-6%. Conservative heaven.
No way, with Cruz as the nominee, that he wins the presidency.
Tell us how those values are different from 0boz0's -- for example -- and why conservatives in ALL states shouldn't reject them as well!
~~~~~~~~~~~
Or -- is that how things normally are in your
, too? '-)
Killer post.
Maybe not Ill., but Pa. ! :-)
And add Ct. to that list.
Kid,
I am almost 63 years old and have not been on a payroll since 1988. I earn what I make. I have been a conservative since RR.
You registered on FR before me, sonny, but I have been on this site from the beginning .
I also have earned two Ph.D.’s. Did you graduate high school? That would surprise me.
My vocabulary is superior to yours, ergo, I would use such terms and words as puerile, political naif,microchephalic, mendacious ( in your case ), or any number of things like that. Now run along and grab a dictionary to see what those words mean. LOL
Are you a SOUTHIE now that you live in Mass. ?
Can’t argue with your idea at all: in hindsight, Cruz and Quayle should have been better prepared on those two points.
It's about the pro-abortion, pro-deviance, anti-gun, pro-tax, pro-big-government world that Trump and the Clintons and the NY Times writers and readers all travel in.
I think this post might be your Dan Quayle moment.
Okay, your PHD ( if you truly have one ), beats out my Masters degree, but did you get your degree through a diploma mill in the mail? *snicker*
Yea, but Cruz should have explained himself better, just a couple of extra sentences could have stopped the bleeding. Still, he is a great debater, but everyone flubs up from time to time.
NY has elected Mrs. Bill twice and Mr. Bill twice too. People there like their “bills”.
One just cannot assume that the American people know anything at all really. They have to be led around by the hand, and then maybe they will understand, but probably not.
Cruz (and Trump on Russert) are exactly correct, the majority values in NYC differ from those values in Iowa and elsewhere in heartland. Significantly.
Anybody pretending this isn't known to everybody in the country is a goofball phony, lying to score political points. And everybody sees right through it.
I always disliked how GHWB seemed to wish he had not picked Quayle and would not defend him that much against unjust attacks from Democrats. This time, Quayle endorsed Jebbie from the start so as not to offend GHWB. In 1999, he had tried to run for President when GWB was also running, and Barbara and GHWB were not amused.
FWIW, my oil well pays the taxes on my "homestead", down here in our part of "God's Country"... commonly called "The Northeastern Texas Piney Woods"...
But-- I must admit that today's oil prices aren't doing me any favors -- even though gas was $1.67.9 / gallon here today...
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