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Anti-Establishment Does Not Mean Pro-Conservative
Townhall.com ^ | January 27, 2016 | Ben Shapiro

Posted on 01/27/2016 1:21:16 PM PST by Kaslin

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To: arl295

They’re not conservatives. That’s the point. They’re Repube-icans, as Mark Levin would say.


21 posted on 01/27/2016 1:47:47 PM PST by Inkie
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To: arl295

you’re joking around, of course, right?

she is going to give up ALL her ideologies for trump and a parade.

no problem with tax cuts, no problem with backing state abortion limitations.

no problem with sending illegals back home.

whatever you’ve having, send me a bottle or two :)

we can’t get what we want when we have the house senate and presidency, like in the 2000s.

i hope he gives her irrelevant concessions that make her happy.

i’d like to see it first. I’m Thomas that way.


22 posted on 01/27/2016 1:48:24 PM PST by dp0622
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To: JediJones
I wonder what position Trump would have to take to lose his supporters?
I am sure if he came out for amnesty tomorrow, saying it was a one-time thing to get our system back in line, they would flock to the internet to tell everyone how right he is and that the rest of us are too dogmatic and conservative.


Sounds like Cruz supporters would get onboard then Cruz is all for amnesty, so is Rubio
23 posted on 01/27/2016 1:53:14 PM PST by arl295
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To: TigerClaws

Trump is the wrench to throw into the wheels of The Cheap Labor Express


24 posted on 01/27/2016 1:54:25 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: newgeezer

Just a richer Obama with the same tyrannical inclinations. Voters imbued “Hope and Change” to mean what they wanted it to mean. They’re doing the same with “Make America Great Again.”


25 posted on 01/27/2016 1:55:19 PM PST by Inkie
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To: Uncle Miltie

Interesting point. I will think about it.


26 posted on 01/27/2016 1:57:25 PM PST by samtheman (Elect Trump, Build Wall. End Censorship.)
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To: JediJones

Nope.

If he backs off his stated immigration plan he goes down and I think he knows that is what is propelling him to the White House.

Americans are sick of having their country overrun.


27 posted on 01/27/2016 1:57:29 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Kaslin

Sometimes, the enemy of my enemy is just the enemy of my enemy.


28 posted on 01/27/2016 2:03:56 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

I know and I agree, but I was just telling you what Dole said.


29 posted on 01/27/2016 2:09:27 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Lurkinanloomin
If he waits six weeks to back off his promises you will have no other choice.

Better look very closely at the man and any information available now to discern the likelihood that he will follow through on what he says.

IMO there are red flags all over the place.

30 posted on 01/27/2016 2:11:12 PM PST by skeeter
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To: newgeezer

You said it. There is absolutely noting conservative about him.


31 posted on 01/27/2016 2:13:15 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: dp0622

It worked on us

The republicans could have taken a stand against Obama, instead they rubber stamped everything he wanted, we got the irrelevant concessions

So why can’t it work in reverse?

Why do we take on “batter wife syndrome”

We need to think like winners

Take your silly parade and get out, losers....


32 posted on 01/27/2016 2:14:05 PM PST by arl295
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To: Kaslin
The problem is that so many congressional conservatives have been in bed with lobbying firms down through the years.

Phil Gramm was a particularly egregious example. Trent Lott is another example, but you couldn't throw a rock in Washington without hitting one of them.

The current wisdom is that just about anybody who's anybody in DC is Establishment and not truly conservative, but through them all out and the replacements will eventually end up the same way.

I'm not counseling cynicism or despair, just a recognition that policies that are presented as conservative and supported by elected conservatives aren't necessarily the best for the country.

You can certainly argue that open borders isn't really a conservative policy, but so many elected officials with an R after their name and so many conservative think-tankers and opiners have supported such policies that by this point the argument has to be about whether open borders are good for the country and not over whether you can label such policies as "conservative."

33 posted on 01/27/2016 2:14:20 PM PST by x
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To: arl295

not sure what the last line means?

the gay pride parade?

who are the loers? the dems?

cause i know FReepers wouldn’t attack other FReepers with that word because they back different candidates.


34 posted on 01/27/2016 2:21:44 PM PST by dp0622
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To: Kaslin

Is he even really anti-Establishment though? His past conduct belies his words, and THAT is the best predictor of future behavior. We all want him to break things when he goes to Washington. Yet there is nothing but his campaign rhetoric to indicate he will not simply embrace the Establishment as he always has. I fear that we are finally getting rid of one egotistical, self-absorbed, bombastic leftist to put in another egotistical, self-absorbed, bombastic leftist.

Look, we all know that Washington is Perk City. It is now designed stroke egos and perpetuate big government. That corrupting influence can only be resisted by a consistently principled ideologue, and Trump is none of those things. We want somebody to break the Republicrat Establishment, but Trump has only displayed the kind of character that will break our hearts and ruin this nation even more.

Only one candidate has actually stood up to the Establishment— note they hate him, and are embracing Trump now. There’s a reason.

Finally, if Trump’s ego or fear is such that he cannot stand up to Megan Kelly questioning his bona fide conservative values tonight, then how can anyone in their right mind believe he will stand up to anyone in Congress, much less Iran, Russia, etc., and push a conservative agenda?

Let no one say they weren’t warned not be naive about this man.


35 posted on 01/27/2016 2:23:20 PM PST by mikeus_maximus
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To: Kaslin

Pajama boy Ben, good little Salem Radio and Conservative Review soldier, still beating his drum against Trump.

What will all of these self-important pundits do if their worst nightmare happens, and the great unwashed mass of nativist xenophobe voters elect Trump?


36 posted on 01/27/2016 2:28:50 PM PST by Pelham (Nikki Haley, ethnically cleansing South Carolina for the GOPe)
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To: JediJones

“I am sure if he came out for amnesty tomorrow, saying it was a one-time thing to get our system back in line, they would flock to the internet to tell everyone how”

Not me. I remember being fed that very same line by the lying GOPe scum when the Reagan amnesty passed in 1986. Fool me once, and all that.


37 posted on 01/27/2016 2:32:00 PM PST by Pelham (Nikki Haley, ethnically cleansing South Carolina for the GOPe)
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To: DesertRhino

+1


38 posted on 01/27/2016 2:32:41 PM PST by Pelham (Nikki Haley, ethnically cleansing South Carolina for the GOPe)
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To: dp0622

Yes, the losers are the dems

And they would be, when Trump is elected president


39 posted on 01/27/2016 2:35:55 PM PST by arl295
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To: Uncle Miltie; samtheman

“For example, Neocons are / were pro-interventionist. Fine. That has nothing to do with border security and trade.”

I beg to differ. I used to subscribe to Commentary back during the Reagan days, and if nothing else Commentary was the flagship of the neocons. An almost religious enthusiasm for mass immigration has always been a neocon hallmark. You can still hear it if you listen to Dennis Prager or Michael Medved. For a lot of neocons the opposition to mass immigration, legal or illegal, makes you nearly a nazi. And I’m not exaggerating for effect.


40 posted on 01/27/2016 2:39:31 PM PST by Pelham (Nikki Haley, ethnically cleansing South Carolina for the GOPe)
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