Posted on 09/06/2016 8:27:50 AM PDT by Jed Eckert
I see and hear a lot of talk about how a national gun registration and/or confiscation would be the trigger that would spark a second American Revolution, as patriots rise up to resist the jackbooted thugs who are going door-to-door taking away people’s arms.
I have bad news for everyone who’s waiting for national registration or a mass confiscation so they can get their armed rebellion on: a national database of gun owners already exists, and a national confiscation effort will never happen. Ever. Instead, you’ll hand over your firearms peacefully. All of them, even the ones you paid cash for to some random guy on Armslist in the dead of night.
Here’s a look at how it will play out in our not-too-distant future.
The NSA Knows Who You Are and What You Have
Second Amendment supporters have been so focused on this one little corner of the Bill of Rights that they’ve let the Fourth Amendment, which is supposed to protect citizens against unreasonable search and seizure, turn into dead letter.
The surveillance state that got started under Clinton picked up steam under Bush II, and Obama has expanded it even further. The NSA is tracking everyone, all the time, and they’re hooked into Facebook, Google, Amazon, and every other piece of web-based software that you’ve been using to shop for accessories for that AR you paid cash for (which your wife doesn’t even know you have).
If you don’t believe me, go read this article about just how much detailed info one private company, Facebook, has on you, including your web surfing, shopping, and even your driving and walking habits. Now think about the fact that the NSA is even less constrained by the law (and has way more resources) than Facebook and has access not only to Facebook’s detailed profile of you but to profiles created by many other sources, from your credit card company to your health insurance provider.
Oh sure, you may have gotten your hands on a few guns that would be impossible to trace, even by the NSA. Maybe you inherited a long gun from your grandpa, or maybe you met a guy in a gun show parking lot and paid cash and then never Googled anything related to that gun. So here’s a question for you: how many people like you exist, and how many of those type guns are suitable for urban combat against AR-15s with state-of-the-art optics? I know which of my guns are probably totally “in the black,” and I can’t imagine trying to mount an insurgency with any or all of them.
The fact is, most guys who have the kind of hardware suitable for a Civil War 2.0 have been shopping on Gunbroker or Armslist, and/or have filled out FFL paperwork like law-abiding citizens. I seriously doubt there’s enough firepower totally hidden from the NSA to sustain any kind of real rebellion.
So the registration ship has sailed. They know what you have and where to find you. Now, here’s how they’re going to get you to turn it over without a fight.
Hitting You Where It Hurts
When the government outlaws semi-automatic firearms, they won’t send cops or troops door-to-door to take them. No, first they’ll send out letters saying they know what you have, and that you have to turn it over by a given deadline or face a penalty.
It’ll be up to you to prove that you’re clean, and that you’ve handed over everything. They’ll have a list, and if they think you’re still holding, they’ll hit you with asset freezes.
Imagine not being able to get any money out of your bank account or from your credit cards, because your assets are frozen. The federal and state governments already do this if you owe back taxes–a simple letter to your bank, and all of your cards stop working. (Here’s an account from one of our editors of how this actually happened to him.) The bank doesn’t care about you, and they don’t have the interest or resources to find out if the government’s claim against you is bogus. No, they’ll just freeze your assets until you get things sorted with the government and the government tells them to unfreeze it all.
The other thing they’ll do is take your children.
Do you think Child Protective Services is going to let your children live in a house with potentially dangerous firearms? No way. Your kids will get picked up at school and taken into custody, and a social worker will show up at your door with the cops. Only when a thorough search has been conducted and the authorities are completely satisfied that your property is 100% gun-free will they let you see your little ones again. After all, we have to protect the children.
You’re not going to shoot at those cops, either, because then your kids will just end up in the foster system as wards of the state.
Not Nearly Enough for a Revolution
Oh, I’m sure there are folks reading this who are so off-grid that none of the above can touch them. Their guns are totally invisible to the NSA, their assets are all in the form of cash and physically held precious metals, and their kids are home-schooled on a well-guarded ranch.
But is that blessed group big enough to overthrow a determined US government? No, it ain’t.
The measures outlined above–a de facto gun registration database courtesy of the NSA and its private-sector allies, asset freezes for non-compliance, and the threat of CPS visits that hold your children hostage–will be sufficient to take well over 90% of the lawfully held guns out of civilian hands, all without firing a single shot.
The bitter truth is this:there will be no confiscation shock troops for you and your buddies to shoot back at, and we will discover too late that the rights-defenders’ fantasy–of one, crystal-clear moment when it’s time for everyone to rise up as one and take it all back–has been the establishment’s biggest ally and freedom’s deadliest enemy.
Why do you think they’ve let you have guns for this long? Because those guns have given you a false sense of security and kept you from doing something truly dangerous, like mass-organizing to pull all your money out of the big banks and to vote out the incumbents.
So if you’ve sat idly by, fondling your firearms and watching the surveillance state expand while your paycheck shrinks, relying on your gun stash to bail you out when things hit bottom, then the joke’s on you. You’ve already lost the war, and when you hand over your weapons it’ll be the last (and mostly symbolic) step in a process of total subjugation that slipped up and swallowed you while you were distracted with building your gun collection.
You may hate me and everything I’ve said here, but deep down, you know I’m right.
Update: A number of commenters are misreading this article. The headline doesn’t say I’ll hand them them over — it says you will. And yeah, I’m trolling you a bit with the tone of this piece by saying what you “will” and “won’t” do, but it’s because I’m trying to slap you awake. The main point that’s being made is this: if you’re waiting for a door-to-door confiscation, or even a national gun registry, then you’ll be waiting forever. Folks who like to talk about a causus belli will need get more creative in coming up with a “bright line”, because the ones so many of you are waiting for won’t ever appear. If this article has spurred you to think more clearly about what the end of liberty might actually look like, and about what you’ll do under scenarios other than the classic door-to-door confiscation scenario, then it has done its job.
Where to begin:
So the registration ship has sailed. They know what you have and where to find you.
True, but by the same token we know where to find them (and their wives and their kids and the rest of their families). Try it, it won't be pretty.
It’ll be up to you to prove that you’re clean, and that you’ve handed over everything. They’ll have a list, and if they think you’re still holding, they’ll hit you with asset freezes.
Good luck with that since more and more patriots don't keep large sums of money in the bank any longer. If you collect Social Security however, that could give them some leverage by cutting you off.
The other thing they’ll do is take your children. You’re not going to shoot at those cops, either, because then your kids will just end up in the foster system as wards of the state.
Ha! Well, in my case take them if you can. They're all adults and as well armed and prepared as I am. For those with young children, you take theirs we take yours. And we'll be pretty pissed at this stage if you were stupid enough to mess with our kids.
Oh, I’m sure there are folks reading this who are so off-grid that none of the above can touch them.....But is that blessed group big enough to overthrow a determined US government? No, it ain’t.
The author has obviously never heard of Leaderless Resistance or of Ted Kaczynski. Imagine just 100 Right Wing Kaczynskis. The FBI couldn't even catch Kaczynski without his brother insisting he was probably the Unabomber. They had even investigated him prior to that and dismissed him as a possible suspect.
Things will get ugly real quick. So unless the people who would be involved in this plan to to live to live out their lives at Quantico or some other Fed secure base, they are not going try any of the above. People have been learning the past few years on how to build guns from scratch. And they've become pretty damn sophisticated at it using just basic tools and materials.
No, instead they will try to attack the ammo supply. They've already started.
Just remember what Clint Eastwood said in the movie The Outlaw Josey Wales:
"Now remember, when things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean. I mean plumb, mad-dog mean. 'Cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live nor win. That's just the way it is."
-Josey Wales
When you stop to consider the record gun sales recently, these are indeed bizarre ravings.
Mess with my family, I will mess back in return tenfold. Because you take my kid, I have nothing left to lose.
every one of your points is spot on
Well, in Michigan all handguns are registered with the Michigan State Police, so the NSA knows what handguns I own.
And I’m sure the NSA also knows about any rifles or shotguns that were transferred to me on a 4473.
There’s no way they know about all of the rifles and shotguns I own, however.
Actually I appreciate that people like him continue to underestimate people like us. The jury is out on who will be the ones with the smug grins.
Even that won’t fly, and the Left knows it. If just 3% of gun owners actively fight back (understandable when facing confiscation of their wealth, family, and sustenance), that’s somewhere around 1.5 million random people responding to the threat of violence in kind. The Left can’t hack that kind of pushback.
What IS happening is the quiet slow throttling of the supply chain. RKBA doesn’t mean a whole lot if you can’t buy guns (ask machinegun hobbyists about available supply vs. modern products), can’t fix guns (few owners can literally make parts), and can’t feed guns (the basement stockpiles may be deep, but ammo is still a consumable; see recent “wetted nitrocellulose” issue). The neo-Bolsheviks are patient, and do learn their lessons ... including that the Right is generally law-abiding, and that middlemen are easily dissuaded from facilitating RKBA when costs of legal compliance crush profits.
Have to agree with your statement about BS. My single point is that “When the government outlaws semi-automatic firearms,” there are quite a few, probably in the several hundreds, who will immediately go “mean”.
And as you said, it will not take many before the government feels the strain. There are not that many of the politicians who will stake their life on banning semi-automatic firearms.
And if anyone thinks my numbers are too high, there are over 100 million firearms owners in this country. What percent do you think will go “mean”?
I would say all of them. This guy has a very over inflated opinion as to the capabilities of an AR-15. Also, an AR is a medium range rifle and a good shooter doesn't need ANY optics with it other than, perhaps, a night vision scope. At 100 to 150 yards my accuracy with iron sights on a AR is pretty much the same as with a scope but the ability to acquire a target quickly, especially a moving target, is much better with iron sights.
Agreed, whoever wrote this is severely deluded.
Freezing someone’s assets won’t subdue them ..quite the opposite.
I certianly doubt they know who has what. The ATF cant even properly keep up with the NFA registry...
The mujahideen didn't have AK rifles and RPGs when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan. They acquired them.
>>The bitter truth is this:there will be no confiscation shock troops for you and your buddies to shoot back at, and we will discover too late that the rights-defenders’ fantasy–of one, crystal-clear moment when it’s time for everyone to rise up as one and take it all back–has been the establishment’s biggest ally and freedom’s deadliest enemy.
The smart patriot isn’t going to wait for the JBTs to show up. He will start by taking out the “I know how to live your life better than you” liberals in the neighborhood and the bureaucrats as they leave their well-marked government office building. These are the true enemies of freedom.
Why would anyone hand over what is a God given right?
Most gun owners know that they need the guns specifically for survival.
If you give up the guns then you are dead anyway.
Better to resist until the end (and take as many of them when it comes).
You know, I get pissed when some left-wing a-hole decides I need my consciousness raised, and I get just as pissed when some pretentious ass on the right does it. Slap me again and you'll pull back a bloody stump, boy.
The enforcement arm for this isn't going to be the NSA, it's going to be the IRS, because that's what 0bamacare has already established. It will proceed on indirect information impossible to prove in court, and if the government cannot switch the burden of proof to the accused, it's game over. Even with the Supreme Court that Hillary intends to pack, the civil disobedience this will stimulate will be drastically greater than the obedience - I cite both Canadian and Australian experiences in that regard. The first kids that go, there will be a whole bunch of social workers fearing for their lives, and justifiably so. The first property that's forfeited, the enforcers, auctioneers, and buyers will find pistols to their heads just as they did during the Great Depression.
Articles such as this one assume that the public that has put up with so much for so long will put up with anything forever. There is no more dangerous assumption to make in government.
It’ll be up to you to prove that you’re clean, and that you’ve handed over everything. They’ll have a list, and if they think you’re still holding, they’ll hit you with asset freezes.
The next insurgency must be handled much differently than the others. You need to identify THOSE WHO GIVE THE ORDERS. Learn who they are, where they live and work, their travel habits and recreation, what makes them tick. At the first whiff (letters?) of an attempt to force a turn-in they must have "accidents" or simply disappear. Cut off the head, the snake will die.
They know what we have in our gun cabinet when we bought the gun. But, gee, I sold a few to guys I didn’t know and can’t remember who they were. If Hillary can’t remember then I can’t either.
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