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FISA ABUSE has been going on for a long time.
NYTimes ^

Posted on 02/02/2018 7:05:18 PM PST by son of terrence

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To: TigersEye

Is this a tacit admission from the NY Times that today’s FISA memo is dead on accurate?

Yes. They’re like Pravda you have to learn to read between the lines.


41 posted on 02/02/2018 7:41:12 PM PST by freefdny
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To: son of terrence

The real headline is:

Our Law and Order Firewall is Made of Crate Paper.


42 posted on 02/02/2018 7:42:20 PM PST by Eddie01
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To: subterfuge

Yep, if the next Democrat presidential candidate ever traveled to a hostile country, that would raise grave concerns about possible collusion. We will need to get the entire IC on that candidate as soon as the Dem primaries are over. The integrity of our system is at stake!


43 posted on 02/02/2018 7:42:50 PM PST by kevao (Biblical Jesus: Give your money to the poor. Socialist Jesus: Give your neighbor's money to the poor)
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To: son of terrence

Something else to keep in mind: presumably their Elliot Ness’s did everything but give candidate Trump a prostate exam.
If they had found anything substantive you can be sure it would have been trumpeted across the alphabet news and by Her Heinous.
From what I remember, all we heard about are his complicated taxes, and I imagine most billionaires don’t short form, and his appreciation of the fair sex, and what red blooded American male doesn’t?
So all that trouble and law breaking and they shot blanks.

They have to be punished. They have broken one window after another with impunity and practically dared federal LEOs to do something about it. LEOs, you know: the Effa Bee Eye?


44 posted on 02/02/2018 7:42:56 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all white armed conservatives)
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To: son of terrence

“Aw, c’mon! Everybody does this all the tahm! Where you guys been?”

45 posted on 02/02/2018 7:43:28 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: GraceG

Interesting question.

Sometimes when I want to find an old post (years old), I search Eddie01 and come text string.

It comes up at the top of the search.


46 posted on 02/02/2018 7:45:08 PM PST by Eddie01
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To: bigbob

“Here’s a court that decides whether or not it’s OK for the gov’t to spy on its citizens and it almost always says yes?”

Just wondering who FISA refused to investigate — any moehammedan-Americans in that select group?


47 posted on 02/02/2018 7:45:47 PM PST by Zuse (I am disrupted! I am offended! I am insulted! I am outraged!)
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To: bigbob

“Here’s a court that decides whether or not it’s OK for the gov’t to spy on its citizens and it almost always says yes?”

And worse yet, the “Just Us” department uses information to get the secret warrants to spy on us that’s a political Party’s Opposition Research.
If Trump fails to fix this, his Presidency is at risk!


48 posted on 02/02/2018 7:46:19 PM PST by vette6387
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To: son of terrence

For context: article date is 08/22/2013.


49 posted on 02/02/2018 7:58:48 PM PST by Fedora
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To: Fedora

s/b 08/21/2013 (I was going by the date in the hyperlink)


50 posted on 02/02/2018 8:00:03 PM PST by Fedora
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To: dragnet2
Everybody did it? Is this a weak attempt to minimize the fact they attempted to frame, undermine and compromise a candidate and then a President of the United States?

BINGO - "everybody does it" so it's a nothingburger AND we should pick up liberal elite's concerns on the issue and take care of those - since they're the only one's who matter... You're right dragnet... the New York Times stay true to form.

51 posted on 02/02/2018 8:04:27 PM PST by GOPJ (The corrupt press worked with 'intelligence thugs' to gaslight Trump...about his people 'leaking'...)
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To: son of terrence

Perhaps we the people should form our own secret court. Star chamber?


52 posted on 02/02/2018 8:05:21 PM PST by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: son of terrence

If W eventually gets caught up in this, I can’t say I’d shed too many tears.


53 posted on 02/02/2018 8:05:40 PM PST by Rockitz (This is NOT rocket science - Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: son of terrence
Read the "Key Points" that were released with the memo.

It states: "The Memo does NOT undermine FISA Section 702: It has nothing to do with Section 702, which targets foreigners located overseas."

Exactly! The FISC Court Order redacted and published by DNI Coats last year was about 702 abuses; the issues of Carter Page, etc., are critical but tangential. The fundamental questions remain in these regards. These matters involving illegal surveillance, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, etc., etc., etc., are what surrounds the underlying criminal activity that those things were employed.

The "Key Points" also says:

"In a last ditch effort to block publication of the HPSCI memo, Ranking Member Schiff issued a press release complaining about minor edits the Committee made to the memo.
The edits, implemented before HPSCI voted to make the memo public, included routine, minor technical changes and edits suggested by the FBI and by the Committee Minority themselves, respectively."


It seems the only sources & methods exposed by the memo are the sources & methods employed by the Democrats + IC + corrupt media.

Most people don't know the details of these things ... while there are numerous revelations in the memo, such as WHO IS the "named U.S. Person" for whom Steele was working? McCain? His confidant? Hillary? Obama?

Meanwhile Mueller's case has imploded ... or it's right on schedule. I still can't figure out if he's deep state stooge or leading massive sting? I'm still inclined to believe the latter, particularly with Flynn sentencing delay + Red Cross Counsel resigning yesterday ...

Trump is master showman and master study - this reminds me of Penn & Teller

TBD ;)

54 posted on 02/02/2018 8:06:59 PM PST by Steven W.
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Give a beaurocrat an inch they will abuse it to the max. They can’t even stop at the 1 mile marker. FISA should have been shutdown in 2011. Oh, wait, who was Pres., who was Sec of State? Never mind.

Time for real judges to do their duty and order charges brought against the people who lied to the court. Arrest now, their names are a matter of record. Stuff and cuff, the songbirds will sing.

Even our maximum security prisoners love their country and support the military. They did wrong and are being punished, freely admitting this they still love America and hope to be free one day to return to a life as a freeworlder. Put these traitors in the general population at the max closest to them, won’t take long for them to start talking.


55 posted on 02/02/2018 8:14:31 PM PST by Billyv ( Ephesians 6:11 for we battle not against flesh and blood...Pray for our leaders and nation!)
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This is a great opportunity, as we know. In the past those like this judge, and the IGs who tried to expose the corruption were suppressed. Now our government should be giving green lights to all of these investigations. My God, it’s hard to remember now how crushed, as a White Male, I felt by the life enforced on me by the foreign (Marxist) junta that ruled us for 8 years. Except I still feel pretty crushed. I’m not the man I was before the catastrophe. I pray God that I may be renewed.

BTW, if I get to live long enough to see this corrupt revolution falter and fail, it will be worth it to have lived through it. I just feel bad for our comrades who fell when it looked like there was no hope.

I’ve long thought that the US and the Russian and Eastern European people have been suffering under our own brands of political, largely Marxist domination. Russia (Soviet Union) cratered in 1990. I’ve wondered, what will be OUR crash, to get rid of the Marxist parasite? US and Russia are locked in an historical dance. We should be better friends with them.


56 posted on 02/02/2018 8:14:36 PM PST by ichabod1 (People don't want to believe it be what it is but it do.)
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To: son of terrence

I have absolutely NO proof, but I believe that the 2012 Presidential Election against Romney was a trial run for 2016.


57 posted on 02/02/2018 8:16:00 PM PST by njmaugbill (Nj)
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To: Steven W.

My guess on Mueller is that this may be the escape hatch that saves his reputation and hide. He should disband the investigation and drop the charges against all parties. Taking another road will only lead to an external investigation of his team which is obviously corrupted. He can lay this at the feet of Comey/McCabe and others and walk away a hero.


58 posted on 02/02/2018 8:19:40 PM PST by son of terrence
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To: Billyv
Time for real judges to do their duty and order charges brought against the people who lied to the court.

A lot of these judges just might be in the coup.

59 posted on 02/02/2018 8:20:54 PM PST by kevao (Biblical Jesus: Give your money to the poor. Socialist Jesus: Give your neighbor's money to the poor)
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To: son of terrence

Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act


60 posted on 02/02/2018 8:23:10 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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