Gave me a good chuckle....I have to get one.
Posted on 08/05/2018 10:31:52 AM PDT by Mariner
PORTLAND, Ore. (KOIN) -- A number of Patriot Prayer supporters, including group leader Tusitala "Tiny" Toese, wore t-shirts at the Saturday protest in Portland that read: Pinochet did nothing wrong.
Who is Pinochet?
Augusto Pinochet was the leader of the military junta that overthrew Chile's President Salvador Allende on September 11, 1973. For the next 16 years, Pinochet was the head of Chile's military government.
Information from Brittanica.com
Thousands of his regime's opponents were tortured and during his nearly 17 years in charge he moved to crush Chile's liberal opposition. During the first 3 years of his regime, about 130,000 people were arrested.
"Pinochet was determined to exterminate leftism in Chile and to reassert free-market policies in the country’s economy. His junta was widely condemned for its harsh suppression of dissent."
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Comparing this thread (Which is one of tens-of-thousands) to the frequent threads on DU I can see that we are about to get to fisticuffs in this country.
The civil war is afoot. Prepare.
A puppet that wanted to be a boy.
It’s INCREDIBLE that we even (kind of) won the Cold War, given just how brainwashed people were.
So here we are in the 1970s, we have 2 countries, Cambodia and Chile. Cambodia’s government kills MILLIONS, one third of their population, and Chile kills maybe 0.1% of their population (the true Marxists).
Because Chile’s leader is friends with us, the Left hates him...and sadly they managed to brainwash millions of Americans that Pinochet was no better than Pol Pot, as we’re seeing here.
Regarding Marcos - same damn thing. Yes, the Philippines wasn’t a ‘democracy’, but then neither were any other country at that level of development (i.e., deep Third World).
So we have a choice - a guy who’s not a Thomas Jefferson, but leaves his people alone if they don’t cause trouble, or a COMMUNIST DICTATORSHIP that demands strict obedience, under the constant threat of slavery, torture, or death, simply by saying something like “I’m not sure this new 5-year plan will increase rice output by 30%, it may only increase by 25%”.
From my earliest days in college, I could tell the OBVIOUS difference, I pray that most conservatives can also, regardless of what I see here.
They think there is nothing wrong with wearing t shirts that support and glorify Che...
The disconnect is amazing. The left is convinced they can do no wrong, and conservatives can do no right.
I confess I don’t know about Pinochet...so no support or denial from me until I know more...but I doubt he was worse than many the left supports.
“Still a dictatorship where there is no real freedom”
Bullshit. There’s PLENTY OF FREEDOM in China now, which is why they’re so damn wealthy now. There’s just not political freedom. But anyone there who isn’t trying to overthrow the government (like US reporters are in the process of doing here, for example), is LEFT ALONE to prosper. About all they have to do is keep quiet politically and go to a parade once a year (May Day).
“The was no middle ground in 1973 Chile. Either submit to Soviet backed Marxism or support a strong man to completely remove it.”
A sad choice all around.
“It’s a shame the so called conservative right doesn’t have the same disdain Marxism, maoism or socialism in general as it does Nazism. “
It really gets under my skin too that people on our side preach liberty, and the constitution, and then will either tacitly or openly excuse despots they agree with and pine for it to exist here.
Gave me a good chuckle....I have to get one.
“It really gets under my skin too that people on our side preach liberty, and the constitution, and then will either tacitly or openly excuse despots they agree with...”
It’s called the BEST of TWO BAD OPTIONS - something that most people on our side figure out by the end of grade school.
“Flatly untrue”
(proceed to not debunk anything I said)
So he wasn’t a dictator? He was a democratically elected president that ran every few years and won against an opposition candidate?
So what was the point of the Chilean national plebiscite of 1988? The one that he resoundingly lost that would have kept him in power?
I dont give a damn if they had a roaring economy. So what if you live in a despotism?
” and then VOLUNTARILY stepped down and reinstated free elections”
You just fricking said that “He was a dictator” was NOT TRUE!
He “stepped down” because his grip on power was collapsing in the wake of the thawing of the Cold War. Not having the potential of a Soviet-backed “invasion” to play off of, he got out of Dodge while the getting was good. He had to be prodded into having the referendum. He didn’t just do it out of the goodness of his heart.
” just regurgitating the leftist narrative”
Jesus Christ.
“Bullshit. There’s PLENTY OF FREEDOM in China now”
“There’s just not political freedom”
*facepalm*
The he was a crook?
Nelson Mandela was a jeweler with a heart of gold. He gave out necklaces for free!
No. A 2004 Senate investigation into money laundering turned up evidence that Pinochet and associates laundered money for years through Riggs Bank. They turned it over to the Justice authorities in Chile. He was under indictment when he died.
““There’s just not political freedom”
*facepalm*”
Yes, quite sad on your part. I assume you also equate the lack of political freedom in Singapore (hint, there is none) with the lack of freedom Cuba - really no difference between the two countries, since neither has reached your demanded level of ‘freedom’.
Very sad.
“The he was a crook?”
So was Trump, if you ask people who were on the receiving end of his bankruptcies.
Sorry pal, but there are VERY FEW Thomas Jeffersons at that level of government, anywhere in the world, particularly the Third World.
I guess, if you have nothing better to do, you can keep your quest going to find the first one...but good luck on that!
He did what was necessary. Hard, brutal at times, but necessary. The Chile he left was the most stable and economically prosperous (no roller coaster ride, boom and bust, economy like Argentina, Brazil, or Venezuela) country south of the Rio Grande.
“The Chile he left was the most stable and economically prosperous (no roller coaster ride, boom and bust, economy like Argentina, Brazil, or Venezuela) country south of the Rio Grande.”
I guess none of that matters to the Jimmy Carter types here who DEMAND PERFECTION in Third World leaders, else they throw them overboard to the Soviets to scoop up.
(and I always thought that the Jimmy Carter types were only on the left...silly me)
Nothing wrond with carrying out the trash. Basic hygiene.
I knew someone years ago who was on of those "helicopter rides".
I think he was 87th.Airborn. They were interrogating a couple VC in a helicopter at 1000ft. They wouldn't talk so one of them (VC)was thrown out. The other started talking like crazy!
I asked him what did they do to the other one? Oh we threw him out too after they got all of the information needed.
He excised the cancer then imported U of Chicago economists to redesign the economy and Chilean Social Security so that it is inefficient but private and returns about double the income to the retiree for the money put into it that American SS returns.AND the assets are owned by the recipient so that when he dies he can leave it to his heirs in cash or I think it can be rolled into the heir’s SS account so that each generation has a more prosperous retirement than its predecessor. The Pinochet economy rescued Chile from the Obama-like “reforms” of the communist Allende that had the economy in a steep dive. But he stayed too long. It is hard to give up power when there are more tweaks to be done and enemies still lurk but Pope JPII told him it was time to go and he stepped down. He left an economy that the socialist governments that the voters insist on empowering dare not mess with.
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