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Search For "Lost" Atlantis Centers On Strait Of Gibraltar
National Geographic ^ | 0104-2001

Posted on 01/04/2002 4:45:18 PM PST by blam

Search for "Lost" Atlantis Centers on Strait of Gibraltar

The Record, Bergen County, New Jersey
January 4, 2002

It was Plato, around 360 B.C., who first described an ancient, exotic island kingdom catastrophically buried beneath the sea when its once-virtuous people angered the gods with their pronounced tilt toward sin and corruption.

Since then, creative souls ranging from Jules Verne to Kirk Morris, Maria Montez, Fay Spain, Jean-Louis Trintignant, Michael J. Fox, and Walt Disney have sought to explain and exploit the terrible fate that befell Atlantis.

Vases from Atlantis?

Archaeologists made an important find in the 1960s, lending support to the proposition that the lost continent of Atlantis was the Greek island of Thira in the Aegean Sea. Researchers partially unearthed the ruins of a Minoan city and 30,000 persons engulfed by volcanic ash about 1500 B.C. In a Minoan house they found these whole vases, cracked from the volcanic pumice and ash.

Scientists and scholars, meanwhile, for 2,000 years have mulled the tale recounted by Critias in Plato's Dialogues in hopes of finding clues as to whether Atlantis actually existed, and, if so, where it was, and how exactly it vanished.

This fall, French geologist and prehistorian Jacques Collina-Girard presented research suggesting that Atlantis was a real place—a small mid-channel island sitting in what is now the Strait of Gibraltar.

Lost Cities and Floods

Its doom was sealed 11,000 years ago at the end of the last ice age, when rising seas swamped it along with six other nearby islands, Collina-Girard said.

Today the islands are shoals crouched anywhere from 175 feet to 410 feet (53 to 125 meters) below the ocean's surface along the coasts of Spain and Morocco.

Collina-Girard said the legend of Atlantis likely grew as storytellers embellished it on its way to Plato and Athens 9,000 years later. He compared the story to Noah's flood, an idea that he said probably arose after the rising Mediterranean overran the Bosporus 7,600 years ago to cascade into what is now the Black Sea basin.

"It is the same thing," Collina-Girard said. "Everywhere in the Middle East, Europe, and Asia people have stories that speak of the time when the sea came in.

"Atlantis is another discrete story of the flood."

End of the Ice Age

The world has not lacked for theories about Atlantis, whose location has been placed anywhere from the Atlantic abyss to waters off the Americas or even the South China Sea. The most popular current view among scholars is that Atlantis was probably the Aegean island of Thira, about 70 miles (112 kilometers) north of Crete, destroyed by volcanic eruptions in 1470 B.C.(This is an error. Thera exploded in 1628BC)

The flaw here, Collina-Girard said, is that the Thira story ignores Plato. "The trouble up to now has been that geologists are not generally interested in Atlantis, while the people who are interested in Atlantis are not geologists."

Reporting this fall in the Proceedings of the French Academy of Sciences, Collina-Girard instead suggested that Atlantis can probably be found where Plato said it was: "An island situated in front of the straits which are by you the Athenians called the Pillars of Hercules Gibraltar," as Critias tells Socrates.

Oceanography shows that sea level at the height of the ice age about 20,000 years ago was more than 400 feet (122 meters) lower than it is today, Collina-Girard said. For the next 15,000 years, the sea rose as ice melted as little as 2 feet (0.6 meters) per century at first and as much as 12 feet (3.7 meters) per century later on.

When the thaw began, there were seven islands at the western end of the Strait and a bit further west, framing a section of the Atlantic in an "inland sea" described by Plato. Atlantis was in mid-channel, about 20 miles (32 kilometers) southwest of modern-day Tarifa, Spain, and 12 miles (19 kilometers) northwest of Tangier, Morocco, according to Collina-Girard.

As time passed, the rising sea consumed the islands one by one, until only Atlantis and one other remained. And for its last 300 years, Collina-Girard calculated that sea level at Atlantis was rising about 8 feet (2.4 meters) per century. "A man with a 50-year lifespan would notice it," he said.

From a geological point of view, the Collina-Girard theory is "plausible, depending on the accuracy of sea level measurements," said marine geophysicist John Diebold, of the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory at Columbia University. "Of course, you really won't know until you get down there." Collina-Girard said he plans to dive in the strait in the summer.

Most of his theory fits comfortably with the Dialogues. What does not is Critias' estimate that Atlantis was "larger than Libya and Asia put together," and his assertion that Atlantis succumbed to volcanic eruption.

Copyright 2001 The Record, Bergen County, New Jersey


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: archaeology; atlantis; economic; ggg; gibraltar; godsgravesglyphs; history; plato
Presently I think Atlantis will be found in the Americas.
1 posted on 01/04/2002 4:45:18 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Presently I think Bin Laden will be found in the Atlantis
2 posted on 01/04/2002 4:50:27 PM PST by mvonfr
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To: blam
End of the Ice Age = Global Warming....
3 posted on 01/04/2002 4:55:46 PM PST by prometheus
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To: blam
There exist underwater ruins off the Spanish coast near the city of Cadiz. Not sure I ever heard a reasonable explanation of their origin. Cadiz is at the southern most part of Spain, not far from Gibraltar.
4 posted on 01/04/2002 4:57:13 PM PST by A Navy Vet
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To: prometheus
"End of the Ice Age = Global Warming...."

End of the Ice Age=Many flood stories.

5 posted on 01/04/2002 4:57:45 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
I could be wrong, but I think this thing is fairly mobile

At least once its lit!

6 posted on 01/04/2002 5:01:18 PM PST by keithtoo
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To: blam
End of the Ice Age=Room temperature Martinis
7 posted on 01/04/2002 5:02:41 PM PST by Cagey
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To: blam
I think it was Thira.

Even if these islands near Gibralter existed, they would have been insignificant specks of land, hardly an impressive civilization. Their eventual disappearance in a rising sea would have been no more impressive than what happened to any coastal city of the time and probably less so.

Thira, on the other hand, was the at the center of the Minoan Civilization, perhaps the most advanced and impressive one on the planet at the time. It was blown to bits and disappeared into the sea with only fragments of the volcano making up some of the beautiful Greek isles today.

Legends sometimes get it wrong.

8 posted on 01/04/2002 5:03:40 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
Remember that the entire Mediterranean basin was once a giant valley through which Nile and other rivers from Europe flowed to the Atlantic. There are LOTS of flooded ruins on the floor of the Mediterranean.
9 posted on 01/04/2002 5:06:59 PM PST by aruanan
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To: aruanan
Also don't forget, many cultures speak of a great flood and a great civilization. Atlantis was one of them. Personally I think Atlantis is located either in Antartica region or the somewhere in the Atlantic ocean.
10 posted on 01/04/2002 5:18:45 PM PST by KevinDavis
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To: aruanan
No doubt about it. The Mediterranean shoreline is much further inland than it used to be. But if the tale of Atlantis is true, I think we should be looking for something that ended in cataclysm, not a gradual rise in sea levels.
11 posted on 01/04/2002 5:23:29 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
"I think it was Thira."

I once thought that too. I don't think the explosion of Thera (1628BC) is old enough. If Atlantis existed in more recent times there would have been more evidence and more written about it. The scarity of information about Atlantis hints at an ancient date. IMO (In the 1300's a Jewish guy named Nazi (no kidding) owned the island of Thera)

12 posted on 01/04/2002 5:30:36 PM PST by blam
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To: Dog Gone
Thera is (and was) a tiny island as well.
13 posted on 01/04/2002 5:31:31 PM PST by John H K
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To: Dog Gone
Thera is (and was) a tiny island as well.
14 posted on 01/04/2002 5:31:32 PM PST by John H K
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To: blam
The story of Atlantis is just a corrupted Greek version of the biblical flood story.
15 posted on 01/04/2002 5:34:08 PM PST by Hemlock
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To: blam
Search for "Lost" Atlantis..WASN'T THERE AN ELVIS SIGHTING THERE?
17 posted on 01/04/2002 5:35:52 PM PST by exmoor
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To: blam
Link to Akrotiri of Thera!!
18 posted on 01/04/2002 5:38:01 PM PST by Nitro
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To: exmoor
Yes, Elvis was there along with Bigfoot, after landing in their UFO.
19 posted on 01/04/2002 5:46:46 PM PST by Bosco
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To: Dog Gone
"The Mediterranean shoreline is much further inland than it used to be. But if the tale of Atlantis is true, I think we should be looking for something that ended in cataclysm, not a gradual rise in sea levels."

The Med has completely dried out at least 40 times, the last time was 5 million years ago. My theory along those lines would have the Med blocked at Gibraltar and a lower but stable water level.
The cataclysmic part would occur when the plug at Gibraltar broke, like the Black Sea at the Bosporus. This flooding of the Med could have eventually spilled over and flooded the Black Sea. There are scouring marks (as yet undated) at Gibraltar on the ocean floor that are very similar to the scouring marks at the entrance to the Black Sea.
Noah would have gotten word of the flooding of the Med from all the travellers and refugees from the Med and decided to built the arc on the side of Mt. Ararat. (huh?)

This would also put Atlantis in ancient times where I think it belongs, 7,000-11,000 years ago. Incidently, I think something similar could have happened in the Gulf of Mexico. (The Persian Gulf was completely dry during the Ice Age, potentially more flood stories?)

20 posted on 01/04/2002 5:48:50 PM PST by blam
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To: Nitro
Flood Stories From Around The World

http://atta.best.vwh.net/floods.htm

(will someone kindly supply a link, I don't know how, thanks.)

21 posted on 01/04/2002 5:53:46 PM PST by blam
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach;sawsalimb;Ada Coddington;JudyB1938;RightWhale
PING.
22 posted on 01/04/2002 5:56:24 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Link!
23 posted on 01/04/2002 5:56:39 PM PST by Nitro
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To: blam;Gods, Graves, Glyphs;
you dig up some of the best old stuff!

Or is it some of the old best stuff?

LOL!

To find all articles tagged or indexed using 'Gods, Graves, Glyphs'

Click here: 'Gods, Graves, Glyphs'

24 posted on 01/04/2002 6:26:07 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Nitro
Does A Global Flood Make The Whole Bible Less Credible?
25 posted on 01/04/2002 6:43:57 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Excellent post!

But as a Catholic I go with the Bible!

26 posted on 01/04/2002 6:59:03 PM PST by Nitro
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To: blam
I really enjoy your post, blam. You must be an intresting fella or gal.
27 posted on 01/04/2002 7:19:46 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Ditter
"I really enjoy your post, blam. You must be an intresting fella or gal."

Thanks. I'm just an old hermit fart. If you'll click on my profile you'll see for yourself. I spent 20 years in your city living in Bellaire and Richmond before moving here.

28 posted on 01/04/2002 7:55:54 PM PST by blam
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To: John H K
Thera is (and was) a tiny island as well.

Yes, but the Minoan civilization extended far beyond it. It was a catastrophic eruption that essentially ended the civilization and the fact that it became a legend is not at all surprising.

29 posted on 01/04/2002 8:18:51 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Bosco
KOOL........................
30 posted on 01/05/2002 2:45:57 AM PST by exmoor
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To: Dog Gone
No doubt about it. The Mediterranean shoreline is much further inland than it used to be. But if the tale of Atlantis is true, I think we should be looking for something that ended in cataclysm, not a gradual rise in sea levels.

The creation of the Mediterranean Sea may not have been a case of gradual rise in sea level.
31 posted on 01/05/2002 4:25:05 AM PST by aruanan
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To: abwehr
Say what? The Nile emptied into the Atlantic. I don't think so.

No, the Nile and other rivers that run out of Europe into the Mediterranean eventually emptied into the Atlantic. Don't make the error of assuming the Atlantic (and the rest of the Earth's seas) has always been at the present level or that the basin of the Mediterranean has always been at its current depth.
32 posted on 01/05/2002 4:29:28 AM PST by aruanan
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To: aruanan
" Don't make the error of assuming the Atlantic (and the rest of the Earth's seas) has always been at the present level or that the basin of the Mediterranean has always been at its current depth."

I agree. Another aspect to consider is the river valleys. If the worlds oceans were 300-500 feet lower than present (and the Med possibly even lower), rivers like the Nile would be in deep river valleys and not prone to flooding as it is today. If the Sphinx was there (as some suggest) 9,000 years ago, it most certainly would have been high and dry.

33 posted on 01/05/2002 5:31:39 AM PST by blam
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To: aruanan
..snip...

In 1991, Dr. Robert Schoch, a prominent geologist and professor from Boston University examined the unique weathering patterns on the Sphinx and its enclosure. His conclusions, which came after several months of analysis, were to convulse the world of archaeology. The vertical weathering patterns on the Sphinx and its enclosure, Schoch argued, were not caused by wind effect, as had previously been thought, but by water -- water from torrential rains pouring down in sheets over these ancient structures. But how could this be? Was Schoch saying that such heavy rains only fell on the Sphinx area but nowhere else at Giza?

That was impossible, retorted the Egyptologists. Not impossible, said Schoch if it is conceded that the Sphinx was built at an epoch when such rains were common in this region and that the other monuments at Giza were built long after these rains had stopped. Again impossible, replied the ruffled Egyptologists. Schoch politely shrugged his shoulders.

....snip....

34 posted on 01/05/2002 5:40:39 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
Heh heh heh.
35 posted on 01/05/2002 1:45:18 PM PST by aruanan
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To: blam
I don't like the way you describe yourself. I think you are a very sociable person ... and so do your doggies. :0)
36 posted on 01/05/2002 6:11:40 PM PST by JudyB1938
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To: aruanan
"Heh heh heh."

Now, now. An open mind is always helpful. (I do try not to get to far out on the edges though, lol)

37 posted on 01/05/2002 7:53:22 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Sunday morning bump.
38 posted on 01/06/2002 7:15:16 AM PST by blam
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To: Chani

ping


39 posted on 11/16/2004 7:46:07 PM PST by Chani
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Not a ping, just a GGG update.
Please FREEPMAIL me if you want on, off, or alter the "Gods, Graves, Glyphs" PING list --
Archaeology/Anthropology/Ancient Cultures/Artifacts/Antiquities, etc.
The GGG Digest
-- Gods, Graves, Glyphs (alpha order)

40 posted on 12/13/2004 10:51:05 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: blam

http://www.robertschoch.net/Guest_Articles/The_archaeological_evidence_in_front_of_Gibraltar.pdf


41 posted on 02/18/2005 1:08:00 AM PST by SunkenCiv ("Are you an over due book? Because you've got FINE written all over you!")
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