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Fightin' Whities swamped with T-shirt requests
Denver Post ^ | March 13, 2002 | Coleman Cornelius

Posted on 03/13/2002 9:53:47 AM PST by John Jorsett

The Fightin' Whities, an intramural basketball team of American Indians at the University of Northern Colorado, has been flooded with requests for T-shirts since news broke of the team's satirical mascot protest.

On Tuesday, the student basketball team set up an e-mail account to start taking orders - even though players have not yet figured out exactly how to mass-produce their shirts.

Would-be buyers may send T-shirt requests to fightingwhites@hotmail.com. The team will send back acknowledgments and more information. The system is meant to gauge demand while the team irons out copyright issues and checks university guidelines, said Jeff Van Iwarden, 21, one of the team's few Anglo players.

The Fightin' Whities expect to charge about $20 for their shirts and will donate all profits to a Native American cause that has yet to be determined, Van Iwarden said.

In the course of just two days, as news of the team has exploded nationwide, the players have gained countless fans across the country.

Many are clamoring for T-shirts bearing the team mascot - a 1950s-style caricature of a middle-aged white guy - and the phrase "Every thang's gonna be all white!"

The intramural basketball team's official name is "Native Pride." But the team calls itself the "Fightin' Whites" - and is widely known by the more in-your-face "Fightin' Whities" - as a jab at nearby Eaton High School.

School officials in Eaton, a farm town north of Greeley, have refused to discuss the school's mascot - the Fightin' Reds - despite complaints from area Native Americans who see it as a degrading stereotype.

Eaton High School's mascot is a caricature of an Indian with a misshapen nose, wearing a loincloth and eagle feather.

The UNC team was frustrated that pleas for tolerance were misunderstood or discounted, they said. So the players decided to use some provocative humor to stir up the debate.

"Walk in someone else's shoes, and then you can make a judgment," said Ryan White, 22, a team player and member of the Mohawk Nation.


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1 posted on 03/13/2002 9:53:47 AM PST by John Jorsett
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To: John Jorsett
A LOL bump!
2 posted on 03/13/2002 9:55:46 AM PST by Howlin
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To: John Jorsett
School officials in Eaton, a farm town north of Greeley, have refused to discuss the school's mascot - the Fightin' Reds

Maybe they're actually honoring Communists. Did the Native Americans ever think of that? Huh? Huh?

3 posted on 03/13/2002 10:00:20 AM PST by John Jorsett
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To: John Jorsett
"Walk in someone else's shoes, and then you can make a judgment," said Ryan White, 22, a team player and member of the Mohawk Nation.

Or moccassins. Whatever.

4 posted on 03/13/2002 10:00:48 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: John Jorsett
Backfire!
5 posted on 03/13/2002 10:03:16 AM PST by Phantom Lord
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Looks like their greed is beating the crap out of their indignation. They "say" that the money will go to a charity but what would you bet that a significant portion goes in their pockets? Not that there is anything wrong with it.

BTW, I wonder if they will realize that capitalism pays while political correctness just gives you a warm feeling. Kind of like peeing in your pants.

6 posted on 03/13/2002 10:04:35 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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To: Dog Gone
Walk a mile in someone else's shoes before you criticize him. That way you will be a mile away and have his shoes.
7 posted on 03/13/2002 10:05:38 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Funny.
8 posted on 03/13/2002 10:07:33 AM PST by John Jorsett
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To: John Jorsett
The possibilities of this are endless-

The Fightin' (fill in the blank).....

9 posted on 03/13/2002 10:07:44 AM PST by Nachum
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To: Phantom Lord
BIG TIME!!!!

Any links to the tee shirt site? I want to buy one!!!

10 posted on 03/13/2002 10:08:34 AM PST by Beeline40@aol.com
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To: John Jorsett

Here is their current logo.

Team picks white man mascot to make point

11 posted on 03/13/2002 10:10:17 AM PST by ThreePantherEightyDuce
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To: John Jorsett
while the team irons out copyright issues

Someone from the neighboring High School that these thin red skinned wackos are protesting should rush to copyright the name. Then they could profit from these idiots., kinda like stealing their land.....

 

12 posted on 03/13/2002 10:13:21 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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This could get verrr-y interesting. See, they did this stunt as an attempt to "show white people what it's like" to have a mascot named after 'em. Small problem: most white people like it. In fact, I'll bet that a majority of the T-shirt requests are from white people.

Now what? Well certainly, these college kids would like to raise the money (whether it will be "donated" or buy some nice big kegs :) that would result from selling these T-shirts. But they must have very mixed feelings. After all, many of these orders will undoubtedly come from people who want the T-shirt for The Wrong Reason: because they are white people who think it's funny, rather than because they are "multicultural" people who Are Concerned About Racist Mascots.

Here is the most intriguing line of the article:

while the team irons out copyright issues and checks university guidelines

How much you wanna bet that those "university guidelines" have some banal lines in there about nurturing a multicultural diverse learning environment, no "fighting words", not doing anything to offend based on race, etc. So, how long will it take for the administration of that school to figure out what I just did above (many buyers will want the shirt Because They Think It's Funny rather than Because They Are Concerned About Racist Mascots)? Once they do, will they apply whatever Stalinist speech codes/thought control regulations to this frat in order to stop the sales?

Ordinarily, you'd think no. Speech codes are not applied, after all, to spare the feelings of white people - only non-white people. Similarly, this is a fraternity with many Native Americans in it; you'd expect the university to leave them alone to do whatever they want.

But there's still the problem: Some people will be buying these T-shirts Because They Like Them. The result will be Actual White People walking around with a T-shirt bearing the slogan "Every thang's gonna be all white!" which came from this university.

You just know that the officials of that university will not want to allow that, if they can help it.

Predicted resolution? University tells the frat: You can sell the T-shirt, but only to non-whites, or to people who write an essay explaining their appreciation for the ironic message about "multiculturalism" the T-shirt is designed to convey. ;)

13 posted on 03/13/2002 10:13:30 AM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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To: ThreePantherEightyDuce
Thang's?

If it was "white" wouldn't it be: Everything is going to be all white?

14 posted on 03/13/2002 10:13:59 AM PST by Doomonyou
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To: John Jorsett
I wonder when it will dawn on them that their "protest" had the opposite effect? White folks by and large are loving this, and will embrace the nickname. I want a T-shirt!
15 posted on 03/13/2002 10:15:51 AM PST by over3Owithabrain
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To: Blood of Tyrants
...what would you bet that a significant portion goes in their pockets? Not that there is anything wrong with it.

You are absolutely correct. These are college kids. If they make a buck and spend it on a keg of beer, more power to them.

Toga, Toga...

16 posted on 03/13/2002 10:17:12 AM PST by Senator_Blutarski
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"...even though players have not yet figured out exactly how to mass-produce their shirts."

I'm sure there are a hundred minority business consultants who would help them come to grips with this hard, hard problem.
How did these guys get admitted to college?

17 posted on 03/13/2002 10:17:44 AM PST by Mike K
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To: Doomonyou
They were trying to ridicule a white southern accent much like some of us ridicule ebonics.
18 posted on 03/13/2002 10:18:03 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Doomonyou
They must have translated it into Ebonics.
19 posted on 03/13/2002 10:18:23 AM PST by ThreePantherEightyDuce
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To: John Jorsett
A Native recreational hockey team in B.C. is called 'The Wagonburners'.

I love Native humor!

20 posted on 03/13/2002 10:18:30 AM PST by headsonpikes
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