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1491
The Atlantic ^ | 4-2-2002 | Charles C. Mann

Posted on 04/03/2002 2:41:45 PM PST by blam

1491

Before it became the New World, the Western Hemisphere was vastly more populous and sophisticated than has been thought—an altogether more salubrious place to live at the time than, say, Europe. New evidence of both the extent of the population and its agricultural advancement leads to a remarkable conjecture: the Amazon rain forest may be largely a human artifact

by Charles C. Mann

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1491; archaeology; clashofcivilizatio; enviralists; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; thetruthcomesout
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1 posted on 04/03/2002 2:41:45 PM PST by blam
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Bump for an interesting (anti-environmentalist at one point) article.
2 posted on 04/03/2002 2:45:18 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: RightWhale;farmfriend;LostTribe;sawsalimb;ValerieUSA
Click here for link to article
3 posted on 04/03/2002 2:49:51 PM PST by blam
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Bumpity...
4 posted on 04/03/2002 2:56:33 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: blam
The Spaniards of the 15th century weren't exactly what I would term "model Christians", far from it. But they were honestly shocked, horrified and outraged at the sight of obvious human sacrifices and, dare I say it, cannabilism practiced by the peoples of the Western Hemisphere.

Any attempt to equate THAT so called native civilization with ours today sickens me.

5 posted on 04/03/2002 2:59:05 PM PST by goody2shooz
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To: blam
Dang, those Amazon rain-forests sure look just like Amazon jungles to me.

Sorta like the Native Americans look just like American Indians to an old Oklahoman.

6 posted on 04/03/2002 2:59:11 PM PST by Ole Okie
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If they want to return as much of the landscape as possible to its 1491 state, they will have to find it within themselves to create the world's largest garden.

Fantastic Read Thanx

7 posted on 04/03/2002 3:00:34 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: blam
the Amazon rain forest may be largely a human artifact

So then the Amazon rain forest, being a human creation for human use, may be exploited for current human needs, correct?

8 posted on 04/03/2002 3:04:23 PM PST by Map Kernow
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To: goody2shooz
I know alot of good decent alaska natives; but have you ever been to a bush village or on a reservation? They sure did a 180 after 1492.
9 posted on 04/03/2002 3:04:41 PM PST by Eska
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To: blam
Some of the claims in the article appear highly unlikely. I think they overestimate population in the Americas pre 1492 by at least a factor of two.
10 posted on 04/03/2002 3:04:48 PM PST by spqrzilla9
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To: Ole Okie
Dang, those Amazon rain-forests sure look just like Amazon jungles to me.

You sound like one of those un-reconstructed paleo-cons who call wet lands swamps.

You've got company.

11 posted on 04/03/2002 3:04:58 PM PST by rightofrush
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To: blam;Carry_Okie;forester;SierraWasp;B4Ranch;sasquatch
As the University of Wisconsin historian William Cronon has written, restoring this long-ago, putatively natural state is, in the view of environmentalists, a task that society is morally bound to undertake. Yet if the new view is correct and the work of humankind was pervasive, where does that leave efforts to restore nature?

Long but an interesting read. This should interest you Mark as it seems to support your ideas.

12 posted on 04/03/2002 3:11:29 PM PST by farmfriend
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Pinging others who might find this interesting. If you like this article, you will like this.
13 posted on 04/03/2002 3:13:19 PM PST by farmfriend
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Have you ever read the Wilderness Act of 1964 Not one word about the United Nations in the whole damn thing!
14 posted on 04/03/2002 3:37:59 PM PST by B4Ranch
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To: blam
Quite a story.
15 posted on 04/03/2002 3:42:55 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: blam
I loved the article.

Not only did it point out that the "pristine" wilderness never existed since the Indians were farmers, but it pointed out that they died of disease, not deliberate genocide.

However, the comment of historians that they would have rather been an Indian than a European in 1491 sounds true. Indian MEN had high status. Women, on the other hand, in many tribes were little more than chattel. Better to be a European woman who had some rights.

16 posted on 04/03/2002 3:56:54 PM PST by LadyDoc
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Thanks for the post and the link. This was a fascinating article from a historical, anthropological and epidemicological view.

I'm going to post the link on some History and Archy forums I frequent to see what the consensus of opinion is.

From my initial read, I found this article was pretty much devoid of PC, environmentalist or socialist propaganda. There are many interpretations of data collected over centuries, including the eyewitness accounts from history. It seems to assume that the accounts by de Soto, la Salle and others were correct - and tries to figure out why the changes took place.

17 posted on 04/03/2002 4:06:51 PM PST by RandyRep
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To: blam
Thanks for the bump. Printed it (17 pages) out for study.
18 posted on 04/03/2002 4:45:32 PM PST by LostTribe
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To: *Clash of Civilizatio
Indexing.
19 posted on 04/03/2002 4:54:31 PM PST by denydenydeny
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To: B4Ranch
I will read that. I noticed the Forest Service emblem on the page. My dad worked for the Forest Service. He just told me this weekend that the federal government owns 72% of the land in California. I was shocked that it was that high. I knew it was over 50%.
20 posted on 04/03/2002 5:21:01 PM PST by farmfriend
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