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CARTER TRAVELING TO CUBA ON PERSONAL BUSINESS? READ THE FACTS AND DECIDE!!!
AP | 5/12/02 | Luis Gonzalez

Posted on 05/12/2002 6:52:09 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez

ATLANTA (AP) - James E. "Chip" Carter III, the son of former President Jimmy Carter, announced Monday he will lead a delegation of citizen ambassadors to Iran in May.

Carter, 48, is vice president for International Development with The Friendship Force, a worldwide nonprofit group based in Atlanta. President Carter, whose term in office was blemished by the Iranian hostage crisis, announced the founding of the group in 1977.

Since then, the Friendship Force has dispatched more than 500,000 citizen ambassadors in 3,600 volunteer clubs in 48 U.S. states and 60 nations.

2/15/99


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KEYWORDS: carter; castro; communism; cuba; peanutbrainedfool
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"Some of the names that now endorse TravelSmart are Jimmy & Rosalyn Carter..."

Even without Chip Carter's connection, the former President has endorsed TravelSmart and the dots will be connected when/if TravelSmart lands a big Cuban deal after the President's visit (perhaps long after).

But frankly, I'm more disappointed in the media's downplaying of Castro's anti-Semitic aid to Arafat in 1973 and 1982 (with Cuban troops, explosives training, Cuban tanks, and use of the Cuban embassy in Lebanon).

The Middle-East is all over the news, as is Carter's trip to Cuba, but they won't print or broadcast Castro's relationship with Arafat...

21 posted on 05/12/2002 10:08:36 AM PDT by Southack
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To: viligantcitizen
LOL!!! I am taking that as a compliment.
22 posted on 05/12/2002 10:10:57 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
"LOL!!! I am taking that as a compliment.

As it was intended... ; ^ )}>

23 posted on 05/12/2002 10:14:00 AM PDT by Vigilantcitizen
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To: Savage Beast
Heck, to this day he doesn't even comprehended what he did when he gave away something so huge and improrant as our the Panama Canal.
24 posted on 05/12/2002 10:25:54 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
A jerk like Carter is too stupid to understand that he's stupid.
25 posted on 05/12/2002 10:35:44 AM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Jeepers! Thanks for the heads up!
26 posted on 05/12/2002 10:40:56 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Savage Beast
A jerk like Carter is too stupid to understand that he's stupid.

You are totally 100% correct, and that’s the worst kind of stupidity. Also think about this: Ignorance is salvageable, but stupidity is forever.

27 posted on 05/12/2002 10:48:40 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: vic heller
I honestly don't understand why we choose to call North Korea and Cuba terrorists, while communist China, Vietnam and openly terrorist supporting, repressive governments like Sadi Arabia are swell folks. The double standard is trade.

I have argued the same thing. And yes, the double standard is trade.

28 posted on 05/12/2002 10:51:44 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
LOL
29 posted on 05/12/2002 12:13:58 PM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: Amerigomag
Reda the post the comment following the post, and my first comment on the thread.

Sorry, should have made myself more clear.

30 posted on 05/12/2002 1:21:21 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer);LuisGonzalez;Tacis;Howie
Flashback to Sept 7, 1977


I haven't been back since the canal was officially handed over,
but I took my boys there in early 1999 so they could see the "old country" before it changed hands..

I wish my boys could have seen the Panama that I remembered.. especially the Canal Zone..I can only imagine seeing all the changes through my mother's eyes, as she was born and raised there...

The Canal Zone was all but abandoned..what used to be a golf course was a tar pit...the hospital where my brother was born was an empty shell....perfectly usable buildings torn down in shambles..Thank you, Jimmy.

31 posted on 05/12/2002 2:54:03 PM PDT by TxBec
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer);TxBec
It's a damned shame TxBec, I know how you feel.

I am starting to change my mind about Jimmy Carter, I used to think him a fool, and an incompetent idiot.

I'm starting to see the light, and I think that I'm slowly coming to the realization that he's a dangerous, and evil hijo de puta.

32 posted on 05/12/2002 2:58:16 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
LOL. nice choice of words.
33 posted on 05/12/2002 2:59:04 PM PDT by TxBec
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Luis, this is just FYI, FWIW- I ran across the following links on another board- can't vouch for them as I haven't read them ( yet) in depth, but worth looking over:


Have you ever seen The National Security Archive and/or The Digital National Security Archive?

Here's a link to their Cuba Documentation Project.

They have declassified documents regarding The ULTRASENSITIVE Bay of Pigs, Kennedy and Castro: The Secret Quest for Accommodation, The Death of Che Guevara: Declassified, and Béisbol Diplomacy with Cuba.

quote:
The Cuban Missile Crisis, 1962



34 posted on 05/12/2002 4:38:10 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe
Thanks!
35 posted on 05/12/2002 7:59:21 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez;all

Lovefest In Havana

'Ah, paradise, at long last', Carter probably said to himself as his private jet touched down in Havana Sunday morning.

The question isn't why the visit, but what took Carter so long? Indeed, Jimmy's always struck me as somewhat of a trailblazer, of sorts: His island rendezvous with el loco makes him only the first U.S. President to step on Cuban soil since Castro's takeover in January, 1959.

Then again, if memory serves, the former peanut farmer was First at many, many other things, too. For openers, Jimmy was first to give us the Misery Index (remember that one?); first to give us 22% interest rates; first to give us stagflation; first to give us a Mariel boatlift; first to give us $1-plus gas and long lines at the pump in "peacetime" -- oh, and an "Energy" department, to boot!. And let's not forget the Sandinistas and the ever lovable, always adorable Ayatollah Khomeini -- Ol' Jimmy gave us them, too!

For liberals, the problem with Castro's Cuba isn't the lack of human rights -- heck, when have liberals given diddly-squat about 'rights' under communist regimes, anyhow? Stalin's biggest bootlickers were, not in Moscow, but right here in the good ol' U.S. of A. -- among the squalid, militant, flag-burning leftist elite. Just like Castro's today.

Nope, according to libs, ya see, if only the U.S. did more business with Cuba, Voila! Castro becomes Thomas Jefferson and Cuba a mecca of pluralism -- overnight! Yessiree, Bob.

Gee, lemme see if I get this straight: If we -- the U.S. -- traded more openly, more freely with Castro, up from his tropical gulag emerges a pluralistic society -- dictatorship vanishes magically in the winds of a glorious democracy, right?

But, wait a sec -- stop the presses! Isn't this called 'Constructive Engagement' -- the hated Reagan policy towards South Africa during the days of Apartheid?

I don't get it: Weren't lefties clamoring for sanctions then? 'Sanctions! Sanctions! Divest now!', they cried. 'Constructive Engagement'? Ha! 'Get real', they'd tell you. To libs, those were dirty words, a corporate ruse, barely disguised, to prop up repression. 'The U.S. has no business doing business with South Africa -- divest now!', they bellowed like banshees.

Help me out here: If, as liberals tell us, Socialism/Communism is so terrific, so splendid, so superb, so superior, why, O why does Castro so desparately need the Great Satan of commercialist/capitalist "evil" itself -- the United States? A bailout for Marxism from 'dirty', capitalist 'pigs' -- what's wrong with this picture?

Call it 'ideological projection': Liberals doing with Castro exactly what conservatives were falsely accused by liberals of doing with South Africa: To wit, using excuses to prop-up repression.

Liberalism has a crush on Castro, a school-girl-like infatuation that forever endures.

To liberals, Castro is a heartthrob; he's an inspiration, a "moral" guiding "light", a "moral" compass, the veritable apple of their eyes.

No human rights in Castro's Cuba? Liberals could care less. Under Castro, citizens are deprived of the most basic conceptions of human liberty -- again, lefties don't give a lick.

In Cuba's brutal island prison, one-party, one-man-rule prevails: Except for Castro's Communist "party", all political parties are outlawed. The same goes for unions.

The liberal media calls Castro, deferentially, the "President" of Cuba -- an utter perversion of language so grotesque it boggles the mind. By what sick, warped, convolution of "logic" can Castro conceivably be referred to as such?

Only a twisted media would dare sully the title by bestowing it to Castro, a ruthless killer, filthy crook, murderous tyrant.

Freedom of speech? Freedom of expression? In Cuba, only for the Castro brothers. Opponents of the regime who dare speak out are jailed, tortured, beaten and killed. Political prisoners, by the thousands, languish in Castro's dirty prisons.

Human rights, political prisoners, government repression, corruption -- these issues, for liberals, take a backseat to "improving" U.S.-Cuba 'ties'.

Yes, oh yes, that old smokes screen is back again; the same one which, during the Cold War, was used to thwart debate over Moscow's appalling human rights 'record'. 'Better not rock the boat by pressing the Soviets too hard on human rights: Bear in mind -- they have nukes, so back off', liberals would warn.

But in Cuba, that humbug, that bogus poppycock doesn't wash: There are no nukes in Cuba.

Carter parades himself sanctimoniously as "democracy's" champion, monitoring elections from Haiti to East Timor, ostensibly checking them for fairness and openess. His comaraderie and friendship with the most barbaric regime ever to blot this hemisphere says all you'll ever need to know about ol' Jimmy. The stench of hypocrisy oozing from Havana is beyond insufferable.

The inescapable bottom line: Carter and his leftist dregs, yet again, stand revealed as the contemptible apologists for tyranny that they are, and will always be.

Anyway, that's....

My two cents...
"JohnHuang2"


36 posted on 05/13/2002 2:20:54 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Carter's assignment when he's in Havana is to check up on the old 'aniaml feed' factory which I freepmailed you about. According to some old agreements we have the right to snoop on any site suspected of being used for biological or chemical weapons and likewise so do they.

Carter's quest was either preplanned or has been modified to allow Carter to double up and become a tourist and site-checker , mainly in that plant outside of Havana. Of course, if you remember the articles I linked, the information on those articles is several years old and the place is probably not used any more... at least not for its original purpose. Clinton would never go in and use the agreement to check. By the time the Cuban defector escaped and ended up in the US singing, with his info confirmed by a former Soviet defector with similar info, the Cuban 'feed plant' would have been considered compromised. At that point it would have been shut down and moved, assuming both defectors were accurate. Will enough of the remaining structure or facilities exist as described to lend credibility or confirm at least some of what the dictators claimed?

So now the operastive question is: can Carter's trip give us any real clues? Not that Carter himself will be the one doing the looking, of course. He provides some media cover for what Cuba and the US are really doing, which is checking each other's chem weapons sites. Most likely the people doing the looking will be in the entourage while Carter chats.

Castro has supposedly offered Carter free reign to go anywhere he pleases. Carter's supposed to get to check the site today or tomorrow. I'm curious as to who asked Carter to use his trip to check... Castro, to clear himself, or Bush, as if he expects a trip many years past due to find anything? Can't hurt to check though, at least then you will know where such stuff isn't.

37 posted on 05/13/2002 2:49:12 AM PDT by piasa
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To: piasa
oops

'aniaml feed'===> 'animal feed'

38 posted on 05/13/2002 2:50:21 AM PDT by piasa
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To: Luis Gonzalez
How very interesting Luis!
39 posted on 05/13/2002 3:04:22 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: piasa
Carter isn't going to find anything. He neither has the the inclination nor the opportunity. He wants to be Casto's buddy and smooth things over for this put upon dictator just trying to do what's right to preserve his legacy, and do it without upsetting the communist applecart....and according to the information Luis has provided, make a few buck along the way. Hey, why not? Castro's been selling the labor of Cubans for over forty years now, why shouldn't Carter get in on the deal?
40 posted on 05/13/2002 3:09:48 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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