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Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 19 May 2002
Various big media television networks ^ | Various Self-Serving Politicians and Big Media Screaming Faces

Posted on 05/19/2002 5:30:56 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!

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To: Betty Jo
I read anythng anyone suggests.Thats called intelligence gathering!Try it, you'll learn!

I believe you!

But you need some intelligence when you decide what to believe>

Would you believe this which is at the emperors-clothes.com site:

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Regarding the involvement of high officials in 9-11, we have studied:

* a) the failure of the air safety and air defense systems to carry out long-standing, well-practiced, routine procedures;

* b) the actual behavior of these officials, which demonstrates consciousness of guilt and

* c) various attempted media cover-ups of a) and b), which cover-ups provide additional evidence of official guilt.

One thing we have not commented on is the debate over the collapse of the World Trade Center (WTC) towers.

Some argue that the towers were brought down by explosives. Others (including defenders of the official story on 9-11) insist that the towers collapsed because fire weakened the steel support structure.

Regardless of why the buildings collapsed, the crucial evidence of official guilt is that the air safety and air defense systems were made to 'stand down' on 9-11.

That said, on September 14th we did post an interesting article from the 'Albuquerque Journal' concerning the WTC towers.

It is based on an interview with Van Romero, the director of research at the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology.

Mr. Romero:

'studies explosive materials and the effects of explosions on buildings, aircraft and other structures.'

His research institute:

'assists in forensic investigations into terrorist attacks, often by setting off similar explosions and studying the effects.'

It is funded, at least in part, by grants from the Pentagon.

Van Romero studied the videos of the WTC collapse and concluded that the towers were most likely destroyed by carefully placed demolition charges. He told the 'Journal':

"It would be difficult for something from the plane to trigger an event like that."


321 posted on 05/19/2002 11:00:41 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Betty Jo
"You dont think she will be on trial in the lawsuits that victims are filing?"

Poor Betty Jo, it's been one rough week for you, hasn't it? The desperation is just seeping from your posts!

322 posted on 05/19/2002 11:15:06 PM PDT by A Citizen Reporter
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To: Neenah
I showed my wife the picture of the real Jeff Chandler. She thinks he's very handsome. She also thinks I'm more handsome. I realise she's rather biased in my favor but it still feels good!
323 posted on 05/19/2002 11:44:13 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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To: CyberAnt;Betty Jo
Ping post above this one
324 posted on 05/19/2002 11:47:17 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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To: Marianne
I am / was not aware that Bush sat still for 25 minutes after Card told him about the second plane, and the only reference I've seen to it is the quote in #299 of Barrie Zwicker, Insight Media Analyst. I had the impression from news reports of that day that after Card whispered to him, he listened for a very short time and then got up. Do you have any information on this other than Zwicker's remark?

If Bush did sit through another 25 minutes in the classroom, I cannot believe he did so without Card having told him that everyone who could be gathering information was gathering information and that there would be a report coming soon, at which time Bush would have removed himself immediately. He would not have ranked a school visit above national security, no matter what detractors say, imply, or insinuate.

325 posted on 05/19/2002 11:53:05 PM PDT by GretchenEE
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To: GretchenEE
Maybe the teacher was giving an interesting lesson. JUST KIDDING!!!!! It's late and I'm tired, okay?
326 posted on 05/19/2002 11:56:54 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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To: CyberAnt;GUIDO
Mara, in an effort to prove that the administration "knew" something was going to happen, pointed out that Ashcroft was not using the public airways. The implication here was that he was acting in a manner that proves the administration "knew" that something very evil was about to happen and it would be on a public airliner.

She was immediately rebuked by Hume and Snow who pointed out that this was because of a "personal threat" that he had reveived. Her reaction was hilarious.... her eyes got so big I thought they were going to explode!

327 posted on 05/20/2002 3:47:01 AM PDT by evad
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To: A Citizen Reporter
Why is it a rough week for me?

I havnt lied.

I havnt told Americans that there is nothing to be done about incoming attacks,perhpas nuclear.

I wont be on trial for mis,mal and nonfeasance.

Whatever desperation you think you see, may be the underlying feeling you have that this government is talking about YOUR death,since Cheny and the crew is saying "bigger"than WTC II.

Who will be the fatalities caused by these "unstoppable" Islamic terrorists?

328 posted on 05/20/2002 4:19:42 AM PDT by Betty Jo
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To: Alas Babylon!
Deport them all, now, before they kill us all!
329 posted on 05/20/2002 4:23:51 AM PDT by Betty Jo
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I said I read everything people suggest.I didnt say I think everything is true.Therein lies the intelligence gathering.You take it all in, you sort it out.You make judgements.You connect the dots.I didnt post the link. Someone else did.
330 posted on 05/20/2002 4:34:40 AM PDT by Betty Jo
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To: Miss Marple
If I were a Democrap, I'd want Condi sent to Siberia or the Moon or somewhere else remote. The Democraps fear her and rightfully so. She chops down all of their racial pandering rhetoric so effectively and she is the woman Hildebeast fears the most. Condi can slice and dice Hildebeast's presidential ambitions with ease.
331 posted on 05/20/2002 6:20:10 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative
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To: GraniteStateConservative
Yes. I see that attacks on Condi are beginning, including Betty Jo here on this thread. They are afraid of her.

They should be. They should also be very afraid of George Bush, who is extremely loyal to his people, unlike the Clintons, who threw anyone overboard for political gain.

Keyes has also started this sniping at Rice, which I find interesting. I make no further comment except to point out he is doing it.

332 posted on 05/20/2002 6:34:52 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: GretchenEE
I am / was not aware that Bush sat still for 25 minutes after Card told him about the second plane, and the only reference I've seen to it is the quote in #299 of Barrie Zwicker, Insight Media Analyst. I had the impression from news reports of that day that after Card whispered to him, he listened for a very short time and then got up

There may have been 25 minutes between Bush being told about the plane #1 and #2. He did not sit there reading stories to the kids for 25 minutes after being told of the second attack. He made a short statement to the teachers present about what happened and then when the secret service was certain that it was safe to move him, the President was taken to Air Force One where he could be better protected against the terrorists that were attacking the country. His staff you can be sure was collecting information for him. During the first few minutes, you know you cant really be sure about much of what is offered up as intelligence.

333 posted on 05/20/2002 7:22:25 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: Betty Jo
Who will be the fatalities caused by these "unstoppable" Islamic terrorists?

You've got my vote. I support your nomination. If you're not lying, then you are awfully badly informed. Bye bye.

334 posted on 05/20/2002 7:25:38 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: GraniteStateConservative
Condi can slice and dice Hildebeast's presidential ambitions with ease.

The Condi Death Stare in action.


335 posted on 05/20/2002 9:53:36 AM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: Dave S
The emperors-clothes.com has an article that constructs a conspiracy out of this 25 minutes.

This fact together with the fact that the intercept jets were late to be dispatched and that no jets from Andrews were dispatched at all is used to construct a conspiracy that Bush, Cheney and the Joint Chief of the Armed Forces Myers knew the WTC was about to happen!

336 posted on 05/20/2002 11:08:46 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The emperors-clothes.com has an article that constructs a conspiracy out of this 25 minutes.

This fact together with the fact that the intercept jets were late to be dispatched and that no jets from Andrews were dispatched at all is used to construct a conspiracy that Bush, Cheney and the Joint Chief of the Armed Forces Myers knew the WTC was about to happen!

Second jet slammed into WTC at 9:05. Bush was onboard Air Force One at 9:55. Later when Cheney requested fighter support for Air Force One, they were told it would take 40-50 minutes. Read that this morning in Washington Post article that came out a few weeks after 9/11. Jets were launched from Andrews but it was after the Pentagon had been hit. A jet was hot on the tail of flight 93. According to the same Washington Post article Cheney and those in the bunker didnt know whether flight 93 was shot down or crashed for some two or three hours.

337 posted on 05/20/2002 11:38:23 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: Dave S
Well, Dave S, you are my new hero in this mudslinging. It is not absolute in my own memory what happened during those minutes, but from all I saw and heard, what is in my memory is what you describe. Thank you. It happened that I had to be up all night on September 10 and didn't get to bed till about 6 AM Pacific time on the 11th, and had checked the news just then. Seeing nothing of significance, and being exhausted, I went to bed. I got up eight hours later, at 2 PM, having missed the horror of that day but being full of it afterwards, so the timeline of September 11 has been less clear to me than almost everyone else.

And in that statement to the media crazymakers, he was obviously shoved off his usual demeanor and obviously deeply serious about how to get things in order to respond to the attacks and what to do to continue to protect America. It is beyond the pale for others to suggest otherwise, and anyone who says so does not observe the man very closely, or does so through such jaundiced political motives as to make them incapable of correct analysis.

338 posted on 05/20/2002 12:32:17 PM PDT by GretchenEE
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To: 3catsanadog
sinworm from Samuel Johnson's Dictionary of the English Language-1755

A vile, sinful creature.

Glad you enjoyed the word.

339 posted on 05/21/2002 8:05:21 AM PDT by harpo11
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