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Firefighters Battling Blaze in Sequoia National Forest Warn of '400-Foot Flames'
AP via TBO ^ | Jul 24, 2002 | Kim Baca

Posted on 07/24/2002 3:59:48 AM PDT by Movemout

PINE FLAT, Calif. (AP) - A ferocious wildfire fed by underbrush and weeks of dry weather roared toward a treasured grove of ancient sequoias, setting up potentially devastating scenario if flames reach the trees.

The 48,200-acre blaze moved through the valleys of the Giant Sequoia National Monument and came within a few miles of the Freeman Creek Grove and Trail of 100 Giants.

"If fire does get in the Trail of 100 Giants, we won't be putting firefighters in there to try to stop it. It will be a climax of 300- or 400-foot flames," said Jim Paxon, spokesman for a national team of elite firefighters called in to manage the blaze.

The trail includes 125 giant sequoias over 10 feet in diameter, and more than 143 sequoias under 10 feet in diameter. The trees are between 500 and 1,500 years old.

More than 1,000 people have fled and at least 10 structures have burned. Among those evacuated were several hundred Boy Scouts, campers and residents of two hamlets, Johnsondale and Ponderosa.

The fire comes in the middle of one of the worst fire seasons in recent memory. A grueling drought has created hot spots across the West, with devastating fires popping up in California, Arizona, Colorado and Oregon.

The California fire was only 20 percent contained Tuesday. And because the monument's deep canyons and mountain ridges make for erratic winds, it was hard to predict where the fire would go.

The U.S. Forest Service said it wanted to interview a middle-aged woman who apparently walked into an area store and said she had started the blaze after abandoning her campfire.

Anti-logging activists and forestry officials have clashed over how best to take care of the sequoias. Environmentalists have blocked efforts to thin underbrush in the forest, saying it is a front for logging.

But forest officials warn that simply letting the forest grow without check makes the trees easy prey for the very kind of fire currently raging.

The forest service has done some controlled burns and machine thinning of brush and smaller trees in the forest, but has been hampered by lawsuits and lack of a management plan.

"The last couple years that the monument has been in place, it's been kind of 'hands off,'" in terms of fire preparation, said Kent Duysen, general manager a sawmill in Terra Bella.

The fire began Sunday in Johnsondale, a hamlet about 130 miles north of Los Angeles, and quickly blew out of control. Helicopters zoomed through a dirty haze Tuesday, dipping giant buckets into Lake Isabella to douse flames.

Saving the biggest trees was a top priority, U.S. Forest Service spokesman Matt Mathes said. He called the sequoias "priceless" and said resources were not being spared to protect them.

"These trees can withstand a lot of fire, but if there's a lot of fuel buildup on the forest floor and temperature and humidity and winds are not favorable, we could have a problem," he said.

Sequoias can live more than 3,200 years, their massive trunks capable of withstanding countless fires. But fires can kill them when other trees spread flames to their limbs high above the ground.

The fire has crackled through a region that has seen little or no rain since spring. Firefighters worried lightning from thunderstorms forecast later in the week might boost the flames.

About half of the fire burned in the 327,769-acre Giant Sequoia National Monument, which is located within the 1.2 million-acre Sequoia National Forest. The monument preserves about half of the existing groves of giant sequoias as well as American Indian archaeological sites.

Juveniles playing with matches are believed to have caused a second California fire, which has burned 1,800 acres of wildland and about 25 structures in neighboring Kern County near Lake Isabella. It was about 70 percent contained Tuesday.

Elsewhere across the West, a fire that threatened 65 homes in southern Oregon grew to 97,392 acres and nearly 300 National Guard troops were sent to help.

In Colorado, higher humidity and light rain helped firefighters battling a 4,400-acre blaze near Rocky Mountain National Park. About 225 homes in several subdivisions near Lyons, Colo., were evacuated.

In Washington, a 25,300-acre fire was 30 percent contained. More than 1,100 people, some from as far away as Mississippi and New Mexico, have been assigned to the fire.

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The tree sitters should rush en masse to save their local forest gods, the ancients. They should carry buckets of water and pray to gaia.
1 posted on 07/24/2002 3:59:49 AM PDT by Movemout
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To: Grampa Dave
Maybe you could alert some of your Oregon tree sitters that they need to go protect the ancients.
2 posted on 07/24/2002 4:28:19 AM PDT by Movemout
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To: Movemout
Here's an example of how the socialist democrats will fix the problem. The plan is buried in a committee but who can say it's going to die there.

Here's a part of their plan that explains one of the causes of wildfires.

(10) A congressionally commissioned scientific study of the Sierra Nevada forests found that more than any other human activity, commercial logging has increased the risk and severity of fires by removing the cooling shade of trees and leaving flammable debris (see Sierra Nevada Ecosystem Project Final Report to Congress, Vol. 1, Asessment Summaries and Management Strategies, 1996).

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d107:h.r.01494:

The list of co-sponsors is impressive, too. So you shouldn't be surprised that in Sec 11 (e) they spell out their willingness to sacrifice the soveriegnty of the US so that the government can be sued for damages.

3 posted on 07/24/2002 4:42:52 AM PDT by ohmage
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To: ohmage; farmfriend
Believe me, after the past 18 months I am in no doubt as to the watermelon agenda.

Farm Friend, worth a ping?

4 posted on 07/24/2002 4:45:44 AM PDT by Movemout
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To: Movemout; B4Ranch; Grampa Dave; editor-surveyor
Environmentalists have blocked efforts to thin underbrush in the forest, saying it is a front for logging.

oh, that's rich.

meanwhile, black is white, up is down, and the west burns.

5 posted on 07/24/2002 5:05:48 AM PDT by glock rocks
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To: Movemout
Why don't you send a reply to Glutton asking for tree sitters here.

The tree sitters must have the worst pr advisors in the world to go out and sit in trees this summer with these fires going on.

When this long hot summer is over, all of the tree first and humans last enviralists will be seen as America's home grown Green Jihadists.
6 posted on 07/24/2002 7:03:05 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Movemout
NewsMax.com Tuesday, July 23, 2002

'Environmentalists' Endanger Sequoias

You don't have to be a tree hugger to love California's magnificent sequoias. But thanks to environment-destroying "environmentalists," these towering symbols of the West could go up in smoke.

A 38,000-acre fire roared through Giant Sequoia National Monument today and came within two miles of the Trail of 100 Giants. This majestic grove features some of God's greatest work, among the largest and most ancient living things on Earth, 1,500 years old.

Nuisance lawsuits lodged by "environmentalists" have abetted the growth of the fire. "The courts have blocked the removal of much of the underbrush on the monument's forest floor," the Associated Press reported today.

"Every other project we've tried to do, the environmentalists have filed a lawsuit," said forest ranger Dale Pengilly.

All that underbrush, along with weeks of drought, has increased the danger to the "priceless" trees, said Forest Service spokesman Matt Mathes.

"These trees can withstand a lot of fire, but if there's a lot of fuel buildup on the forest floor, and temperature and humidity and winds are not favorable, we could have a problem," he said.

Oh, and human lives and property are in danger too. More than 1,000 people have fled the area. At least 10 buildings have burned and 200 homes are at risk.

"I was scared. I've never seen it so close. It was coming so fast," said Simone Wallace, who left her home in Johnsondale on Sunday.

Now, thanks to tree-hugging hypocrites, more than 1,000 firefighters are risking themselves to save the sequoias.

This is a link to a News Max OPED on this green jihadism against America and America's forests. (Link)

7 posted on 07/24/2002 7:07:22 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Movemout; RonDog; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Shermy
Now the terrible consequences of the Green Jihadists comes to Kalifornia.

Their no roads, no removal of dead trees or removal of dead brush has caused massive and devastating fires in Arizonia, Colorado, Oregon and now Kali..

These Green Jihadists are more dangerous to most Americans than the al Qaeda thugs and terrorists. The Green Jihadists can harm Americans and commit economic eco terrorism 24/7 with their agendas. It takes years for the al Qaeda thugs to set up a successful act of terrorism.

Every uncontrollable fire in Arizona, Colorado, Oregon and now California is an act of pre meditated Green Jihadism economic eco terrorism against America/Americans.
8 posted on 07/24/2002 7:19:17 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: glock rocks; *Enviralists; 1Old Pro; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; a_federalist; abner; aculeus; ...
Save the underbrush, log the giant sequoias to reduce fire hazard.

Clinton really saved the forest, didn't he!

9 posted on 07/24/2002 7:20:01 AM PDT by editor-surveyor
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To: Grampa Dave
you can put utah on that list, too.
10 posted on 07/24/2002 7:24:51 AM PDT by glock rocks
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To: editor-surveyor
BTTT!!!!!
11 posted on 07/24/2002 7:30:19 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: editor-surveyor
Giant sequoias are beautiful trees. I have no doubt that in the hands of private ownership they would be better protected. I'd gladly pay the owner to camp there. Actually, I'd rather buy a few acres and build a second home among the giants.
12 posted on 07/24/2002 7:46:15 AM PDT by Zon
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To: Movemout; Glutton
It's events like this that make me want to puke. Here is a letter about Clinton's EO "protecting" giant Sequoia groves that I published as an article in eco-logic online in May 2000.

Dear Henry,

I wish to address the unspoken assumptions in the comments of Mr. Brent McCoy in the letters section of your last issue, concerning the Clinton Administration "protection" of nearly 400,000 acres of land containing 15,000 acres of Giant Sequoia forests under the Antiquities Act.

Brent apparently assumed that the best thing we can do to protect a pristine, natural habitat is to invoke the hand of government to prevent the ravages of human industry. By inference, he is also assuming that Bill Clinton is ‘doing the right thing to protect these forests’.

Brent might be somewhat taken aback to hear that, as a result of this impending, unconstitutional taking of private property, the primary threats to the health of sequoia forests will now be… Bill Clinton and the fire management policies of the Sierra Club! With all the white fir, pine, and underbrush in the forests surrounding and infusing isolated pockets of "protected" sequoia, what Mr. Clinton has done at the Club's behest is to doom much of that forest to death and destruction by catastrophic fire. With the "let it burn, conflagrations are inevitable" fire policy of the Sierra Club, established firmly within federal resource agencies, we won’t have to wait long for ‘inevitable’.

None of the sequoia forests is in either pristine or "Natural" condition. They have been under a continuous regimen of human fire management for a very long time. Giant Sequoia is a species, subject to understory competition by fir, pine, and underbrush. Under the pre-colonial fire regimen, more frequent, relatively cool fires cleared these competitors to sequoia on a more periodic basis. Such treatments did much to provide a germination bed for sequoia seedlings. What government forest management has done is to suppress regular fire and allow fuel accumulations to reach horrific proportions.

There are now few juvenile sequoia seedlings in those forests, as has been the case for over a hundred years. Brent might wish to consult John Muir’s classic, The Mountains of California, which details precisely these conditions (with the exception of King's Canyon). The Sierra Club is convinced that it is "Natural" to have these enormous fires upon the strength of archaeological evidence that they have happened before and that this is the only tool to be "allowed" to reduce fuel accumulations. What they might not have considered is that such infrequent conflagrations, as opposed to frequent and cooler fires, may abet the spread of the fir and pine, in competition with sequoia. They have apparently never questioned whether these holocausts had a role in the retraction of sequoia from its ancient range or whether such an event is destructive to their health, and it is highly likely that no one would have a definitive answer if they did bother to ask. If, one of their "planned ignitions" gets out of control, the Sierra Club is certainly ethically capable of simultaneously declaring such a fire equivalent to a Natural event and that the fuel levels were the fault of human management. They have adamantly demanded implementation of the policy that under no circumstances should mechanical reduction of fuel accumulations be allowed, prior to the institution of a program of prescribed fire.

If Brent wants to confirm that statement, he can consult The Sierra Club Policy: Public Lands Fire Management, available for inspection at http://www.sierraclub.org/policy/conservation/fire.asp. It was written immediately after the debacle in Yellowstone National Park (upon which revisionist history is being written to this day). If Brent reads the policy, he might consider whether ‘limited planned ignitions’ have a way of becoming ‘inevitable conflagrations’ where there are ‘dangerous fuel accumulations’. Unfortunately, that is the only action the Club will ‘allow’. For evidence of this kind of hubris elsewhere, Brent would do well to consult the history of the Quincy Library Group regarding their struggles with similar, duplicitous zealots in Plumas County, California. He can read that story at http://www.qlg.org. QLG is scrupulously honest in presenting both sides to their arguments with links to the pages opposing their view. Brent should go to those opposition pages to verify that there is sadly, no reciprocal level of mutual respect, objectivity, or hard data as would be rationally expected of an organization with an honest commitment to a 'consensus process'.

Sequoia gigantea has been protected from commercial logging on federal lands for a very long time, but… Wait a minute! Didn’t the activists say that the objective of the Executive Order was to protect the sequoia from logging? Yes they did. They wanted to stop the logging of the surrounding fir and pine. Such statements are duplicitous inferences intended to allow the public to fear that greedy loggers were rapaciously striving to cut the last remaining sequoia trees. There is no commercial logging of sequoia, on federally managed lands.

Brent might then respond, ‘Oh, but what about privately managed lands. Maybe we should protect the sequoias there? They are, after all, unique, precious, and rare.’

There is an interesting little article, Careful Logging Sparked New Sequoia Grove, still available for his inspection, that describes the superior environmental record of Dillonwood, a privately managed sequoia forest to the north of Sequoia National Park owned by the Reed family. (http://www.fresnobee.com/localnews/story/0,1724,128280,00.html). The Save-the-Redwoods League thought so highly of that forest stand that they wanted to buy it, but first they would have had to raise a cool $5 million and get Congress to approve matching funds. With a mere stroke of the pen, Mr. Clinton has made that unnecessary, by making Dillonwood economically worthless; raiding the hard-earned wealth and denigrating the stewardship practiced by the Reed family over decades.

Perhaps Brent would rest easier if he knew that Sequoia gigantea is an extremely successful export tree for commercial wood production, worldwide. He could make the tree a little less rare and take his life-savings, buy a property, purchase sequoia seedlings from the Johnsteen Company, and plant them himself. He can compete with commercial sequoia forests in places as far away as Morocco, Germany, and Scotland who don't have to worry about California's department of Fish and Game and Forest Practice Rules. After a lifetime of hard work, he can then have it all taken away, simply because there are a lot of people, who think just like him, that "our" sequoia forests are unique, precious, and rare. So perhaps sequoia forests are not as endangered as he had thought; except for those taken from landowners and put under the management of the United States Government!

Clinton, Gore, and the activist corporate foundations that support them will eventually be guilty of some of the greatest ecological catastrophes of this or any century. Tragically, we may never learn of them unless we have a scientific community unshackled from the economic heroin of politically motivated funding. Even if money and religious brainwashing doesn’t corrupt silvicultural science completely, unless we have an intelligent and unbiased press, empowered with access to investigate and publicize the damage done, we may never hear the true story when it happens. Mr. McCoy’s ill-informed suppositions are merely dispiriting confirmation to that effect. He has unwittingly abetted the ecological damage being done by the Clinton/Gore juggernaut, by justifying his willingness to support their vicious trashing of fundamental human rights in return for their having effected his personal claim on the use of that forest without having to pay what it is worth.

Worst of all, (and frankly, Henry, the source of my personal anguish over such things) Brent will therefore have to share culpability for the 'inevitable' combustion of a large part of that forest into ashes and water pollution, a forest that I have loved since I was a child. Worse yet, subsequent to said conflagration, there is a very real possibility that combusted forest will be invaded by weeds, before the sequoia dominated ecosystem could ever recover its former vigor, which might well mean, never.

Private property rights are what preserved the freedom for the Reed family to do something at variance from a political forest management regimen, specific to the needs of their forest. The personal pride, and sense of privilege that giving your life to owning and improving a beautiful forest at a modest profit can bring, was all the motive and capital required to make it happen. It cost us nothing, it gave us wealth, it gave us usable material, it paid taxes, it raised families, and it gave us a better forest.

Freedom is what gave us the independent science that improved our knowledge and skill with which to manage this precious species successfully. Diverse courses of scientific inquiry are as important a set of global ecosystem assets as is biodiversity. Civic respect for inalienable property rights is what protected that healthy forest from political mismanagement. Without them, Mr. McCoy, we have a great many more to lose.

Mark Edward Vande Pol is a medical device engineer and author engaged in habitat restoration science. (He has no interest in commercial logging.) His coming book: Natural Process: That Environmental Laws May Serve the Laws of Nature details the adverse environmental impact of political and legal ecosystem management. He proposes an alternative, free-market environmental management system that can account for externalities through private certification, risk management, and fluid transactions in uses of private property. You can send your comments or complaints to contact@wildergarten.com.


13 posted on 07/24/2002 7:46:48 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Movemout
Now this would be the ultimate irony no? The greenies don't allow the undergrowth to be cut back and in the process the Sequoias burn down- they claim to protect the environment but would have succeeded in killing something that none of them can replace. Idiots.
14 posted on 07/24/2002 7:49:34 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: editor-surveyor
This is not too far from us....I'm so angry at those stupid enviros right now it isn't even right.
15 posted on 07/24/2002 7:55:32 AM PDT by goodieD
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To: glock rocks
How many of the fires in Utah are the result of the no roads, no thinning of brush and as in this link of yours no harvesting of dead trees?
16 posted on 07/24/2002 8:11:52 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave

The fires are not the result of needed roads and clearing programs but the scale of these fires sure is.

EBUCK

17 posted on 07/24/2002 8:22:50 AM PDT by EBUCK
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To: Grampa Dave
If they lose one of these stands, it would be a legacy worthy of Bill Clinton and the Sierra Club and we should pund them for all it's worth.

Please see my article in post 13.
18 posted on 07/24/2002 8:46:02 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
RE. #13. Great letter. But they won't listen. Get ready for the spin machine to turn up to full revs and blame loggers for the loss of the seq.

EBUCK

19 posted on 07/24/2002 8:58:25 AM PDT by EBUCK
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To: Carry_Okie
Great Article/reply in #13!
20 posted on 07/24/2002 9:19:51 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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