ARE DEMOCRATS SOCIALISTS

Fiedor Report On the News #280 ^ | 7-28-02 | Doug Fiedor

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We, and others, have labeled the Democrats as a bunch of socialists. Some are, of course. But, that "some" does not necessarily define the whole of the group. So, maybe we should reconsider. That is, maybe we should label them more by what they do, rather than just by what they say.

Socialism, after all, implies outright nationalization of the means of production. Government would take ownership of all business. Sure, the Democrats have tried to have government take over segments of business from time to time, but never everything in the country. They have never even hinted at making everyone an employee of the state. Rather, Democrats just want to keep certain segments of society as dependent on government as possible so they can control them -- and count on those groups for their vote.

Democrats, as a whole, are into control. That is, instead of government ownership of our nation's agriculture, business and industry, the Democratic Party favors private ownership. The responsibility for operation is then placed in private hands, rather than governments.

Under the plan of the Democratic Party, government will only control, not own, the means of production in the United States. That started with Roosevelt's "New Deal." Therein, dozens of regulatory bureaucracies were formed with new (totally unconstitutional) powers to regulate all agriculture, business and industry in the country. Roosevelt claimed this was done to fight the depression. But, even when the depression was over, the bureaucracies increased in size and power.

The Johnson administration followed Roosevelt's lead with the "Great Society" war on poverty. That cost the American taxpayer's nearly three-trillion dollars and did nothing except steal more freedom. The poverty level is higher now than before the Great Society programs began. But, the bureaucracy expanded considerably as government extended its controlling tentacles into our private lives.

Then came the environmental movement. First, man was said to be causing another ice age. That proven false, they changed it to global warming. Whichever. EPA is one of the most obnoxious and best financed regulatory agencies today. They control some aspect of nearly everything we do.

Then came the multi-billion dollar war on drugs. Again, Americans saw freedoms evaporate and the police state greatly expand. Today, a citizen can be said, but need not proven, to be guilty of a drug offense and, through unconstitutional forfeiture laws, government can take any goods or money they wish. A trial is no longer necessary. Today, punishment comes before trial. And that punishment is at the discretion of government agents -- who then get to keep all the goods or money they take for the use of the people in their own department.

Of course, we are all familiar with today's style of free speech, commonly called "politically correct" speech. The Democrats have even usurped our language. Like Orwell's "Newspeak," today's speech is often very sanitized. In today's schools, such a tight rein is kept on the thoughts and speech of students that kids will actually be expelled for drawing a picture of a gun or even pointing a finger and saying "bang." Cursing, however, is politically correct -- as is the free distribution of birth control devices and/or the distribution of literature promoting deviant sexual behavior.

Little or none of this is socialism. Therefore, we should now quit calling the Democrats socialists. They are something else. But what?

Well, they caused vast unconstitutional government programs at taxpayer's expense. None of these programs promoted free market solutions. None were ever used to expand individual freedom. Just the opposite, in fact. Every single Democrat program greatly restricted the freedom of the American people.

The Democrats mutated the federal government into a system of government marked by centralization of authority. The Democrats' programs put forth stringent socioeconomic controls. Now, with their "politically correct" garbage, they are attempting to suppress all opposition through terror and censorship. They label anyone supporting the Constitution as a radical, call those with religious convictions kooks, and say that anyone who refuses to associate with the deviants of society are dangerous. They become belligerent to parents who demand their children actually learn useful skills in school rather than liberal indoctrination. And they are even trying to tell us that a garden variety owl or bug takes precedence over the land use of humans.

The Democrats have a simple concept, actually. The activities of the individual must be subjugated to the will of the state. The state, then, will be directed by leaders like them: Democrat-Fascists.  

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[Mark17]

If the US was Russia back at the turn of the last century, the Democrats are the ones who would be nuzzling up to Stalin's sphincter!

I thought they did. I also heard rumors (not sure, however) that one reason many Demon Cats wanted to enter World War 2, was to help the Soviets. Have you ever heard anything similar to that?

[medzork]

actually the war on drugs was a republican instituted public policy program.. I seem to remember Nancy Reagan with the JUST SAY NO!

[Mark17]

But how does that relate to what I said? My thought, is that the Demon Cats wanted to help the Soviets beat the Germans because they liked the communists in Russia. I do not see what Nancy Reagan has to do with that.

[ned]

Everyone shares the same philosophy: Everyone just wants the government to do what they want the government to do, and nothing else.

[Torie]

Oh my, what a silly post/article. The fringe elements on FR have it right; on the big economic and redistributionist issues, the two parties are not all that different, which is understandable since they compete for the same swing voters. Both parties are on the 45 yard line on opposite sides of the 50 yard line maybe. Other than abortion, most of the emotionalism we see here and elsewhere is over symbolic issues and personalities.

[Still Thinking]

"ARE DEMOCRATS SOCIALISTS?"
"Hey, does the Pope wear a funny hat?"
"Is the Pope Catholic?"
"Does al gore loose elections?"

Does a bear relieve himself in a densely wooded area?

[bfree]

A simple answer to the question--YES

[brat]

They are of the new "elitest" globalism. It began in this country with the surrender of control of our capital....was it 1913? College professors in place, they began the "social warfare" on our kids in the 60's. Next came "Free Trade" which internationalized our production of our national wealth...the result of which is rich enemies and poor citizens with the top 2% owning as much of our wealth as the remaining 98%. They are so infiltrated in our society today as to blind the eyes of most of our citizens. Welcome to the NWO...or whatever it is calling itself these days.

[brat]

Republicans are part of the system too...Elitest Globalists. Welcome to the New World Order.

[Boucheau]

It's no comfort that Democrats just want to tax and control that which I own--this is called Facism.

I "own" it--they tell me what I can do with it.

No I know I hate 'em.

[Eva]

I got this far Democrats, as a whole, are into control. That is, instead of government ownership of our nation's agriculture, business and industry, the Democratic Party favors private ownership. The responsibility for operation is then placed in private hands, rather than governments. and I wanted to stop reading and post - The author just defined FASCISM A while back, I made the statement that the Chinese are more fascist than socialist or communitst, now as well.

[Liberty Ship]

By and large they are Socialists, more specifically National Socialists or NAZIS. They will let you have nominal ownership of something but tell you how to run it and what you can do with it. It will be your fault if it fails, but they will be your "silent partner" if it does well, taking a huge percentage of the profit to purchase power for themselves.

Acutally, they are VAMPIRES. They will suck your blood until you can no longer sustain yourself and must suck the blood of others to continue to exist. They will drain you into dependency. A good example is the Social Security system. They tax you so much that you can not provide for yourself and the only way you can survive is to rely on them to suck someone elses blood and route it over to you. Or education -- they tax you so much you can not send your own children to a good school and must rely on the public education system which is funded by money taken at gun point from others.

Democrats, with very few exceptions, are the political manefestation of American Liberalism. Evil. They are not political opposition, but the enemy of the Constitution -- the domestic enemy that many of us have sworn to protect the Constitution from. They should be destroyed in detail. Within the law, of course.

[mlocher]

thanks, i think. i will have some reading to do. is it possible i could get cliff notes?

[Publius6961]

Socialism, after all, implies outright nationalization of the means of production.

That is an arbitrary definitition at an arbitrary stage of development.
Among the first remarks on the thread is NAZI, the national form of socialism which is functionally indistinguishable.

Control of all facets of every life is an essential element of either process.

I know I lived though Stevenson, and Kennedy and Johnson and I know that variety of Democrat, and this ain't it.
Now, the government will "take care" of you and in return will define the tiniest details of your life.
Of course, if you are one of the parasites, it matters little.
If you are one of the work drones, it matters for everything, for you neither enjoy the benefits, not the leisure that being a parasite provides.

It may be called "compassion", or "our duty" but stripped of all the BS it's the oligarchy of the bureaucrat; the new nobility. I fear the solution ultimately will be the same as the solution with every previous national problem of the sort.
Once the number of parasites exceeds the number of workers...

[Publius6961]

In my neck of the woods...we call that stealing.

Well, on the international level we spice it with "compassion" and "justice" and call it Socialism.

[Publius6961]

They believe in free speach, so long as it's an opinion that they agree with. Otherwise, they brand it as "hate speech" and try deperately to supress it.

And the truly frightening part is that it's so transparent a second grader can see it.

Kinda makes the only solution inevitable, doesn't it.

After all, we can say that the emperor has no clothes only so long...