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Which Is The Nation Of Slaves, Numbered Like Cattle?
Toogood Reports ^ | August 19, 2002 | Vin Suprynowicz

Posted on 08/19/2002 8:21:08 AM PDT by Stand Watch Listen

Japanese citizens, as almost any American can tell you, live in a closely tracked and regimented society. Why, they're nearly devoid of individual liberty — or the kind of gumption needed to assert one's liberties — when compared to their free-wheeling American cousins.

We all know that.

Americans, on the other hand, roam about like so many tumbleweeds, easy-goin' buckaroos, travelling where we choose, stopping where we please, picking up a job on a whim without worrying about reporting in to some central police state, whose "permission" we need to so much as earn a few hundred bucks working as a ranch hand or part-time dishwasher.

We all know that.

Which is why many Americans were left scratching their heads last weekend when The Associated Press reported out of Tokyo: "Ever since their computerized ID system switched on a few days ago, Japanese citizens have dropped out in droves from what many resent as a 'big brother' monitoring of the people ...

"The government is assigning each of Japan's 126 million citizens an ID number that will link into a nationwide computer system. The idea is to streamline Japan's cumbersome bureaucracy. ..."

But "Critics worry about loss of privacy, and some fear government will misuse the information. The disenchantment some Japanese express toward the registry underlines a deep, although often hidden, distrust of government that is surprising in a nation known for orderly, conformist behavior," reports Yuri Kageyama for The AP.

"Dozens of protest groups have popped up," and an Aug. 12 rally saw demonstrators "show their outrage by ripping up the papers being sent out by the government to assign every citizen an 11-digit number."

"To start with, giving a number to people is a violation of our individual human rights," explained Eiji Yoshimura, one of the protesters. "We have absolutely nothing to gain from this system."

"I don't especially enjoy being called by a number," agreed 60-year-old truck driver Yasuyoshi Ban, "It feels like a prisoner."

Several local Japanese municipalities have refused to participate in the system, which began the week of Aug. 5. Yokohama, a Tokyo suburb of 3.4 million people, is giving people a choice of hooking up or not.

Yet Americans have tolerated a 9-digit Social Slave number for 70 years now. And those of us who have tried it can testify to the kinds of looks you get in the United States of America, this good old Land of the Free, when a prospective employer or Motor Vehicles clerk or bank "new accounts" officer asks for your Social Security number and you reply, "No, that's a voluntary government retirement program. You can call the Social Security Administration and ask them — they'll tell you right over the phone it's voluntary — no one is required to join. So I've decided not to volunteer to participate in that particular actuarially bankrupt Ponzi scheme. Anyway, I wasn't going to apply for any government benefits to help me pay for this transaction, in the first place. So just write down on the form there, 'Asked for SS number as required; subject said he had none or declined to provide,' and we'll proceed from there."

Or, try telling a police officer who's pulled you over in a late-night traffic stop, "You know, officer, I went in there and tried to get one of those 'drivers licenses,' even though the courts have ruled you don't actually need any kind of license or permit to merely travel on the public highways, you only need one if you're involved in an excisable commercial activity, like hauling passengers or freight for pay, which they redefined in the early 20th century as 'driving.' But you know what, officer? Even though I'd passed the tests and was willing to pay the fee, they wouldn't give me that 'license' thing unless I told them my Social Security number.

"I explained to them how Congress swore up and down when they passed the Social Security Act in 1932 that those numbers would never become de facto national identity numbers, like they had at the time in fascist Italy and Nazi Germany. I tried to explain that it says right on the bottom of all the earlier Social Security cards, 'Not to be used for purposes of identification.' But in the end, do you know what? They wouldn't give me that 'drivers license' thing you're asking for."

I'm sure you'll have no problem, trying to get through life — trying to open a bank account, say — without providing your 9-digit Social Slave number. After all, this is the freest country in the world, the U. S. of A., not some alien Borg-like hive full of Oriental drones who'll happily do just about anything the government tells them to, bowing and scraping and fawning the whole time.

Right? I haven't got these two countries switched, have I? It was the forces of "freedom" who took up those M-1 Garands and won all those costly battles over the forces of fascist tyranny on Okinawa and Iwo Jima and Saipan ... right?



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: socialsecurity; ssn

1 posted on 08/19/2002 8:21:08 AM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Baaaaa, Baaaaaaa. Baaaaaaaaa. (Voice of U.S. citizenry.)

Boonie Rat

MACV SOCOM, PhuBai/Hue '65-'66

2 posted on 08/19/2002 8:31:55 AM PDT by Boonie Rat
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To: Stand Watch Listen
bump
3 posted on 08/19/2002 8:58:04 AM PDT by tomakaze
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To: Stand Watch Listen
I decided to stop giving out my SSN for a year as an experiment to test how much liberty remains in this country. So far my employer has stripped me of all medical and dental benefits and the local DMV has refused to renew my license.

That answered my question.

4 posted on 08/19/2002 9:00:58 AM PDT by AdamSelene235
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Japan is an extremely strange nation. They might look sort of westernized at first glance, but there's probably a wider gulf between "them and us" than there was between the Soviets and us. It's a very repressed society, with strange outlets.

An example: A relative of mine was in Tokyo some time ago. He was mystified by a battery of vending machines outside the hotel entrance (and this was no seedy little place). The chief product they sold? Panties. Used ones. Unwashed.

5 posted on 08/19/2002 9:03:24 AM PDT by Cachelot
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To: AdamSelene235
My Medical Insurance ID number IS my SSN. So much for declining to tell my doctors my Social Security number. Last year, I took my dog to a vet who requested my SSN. A VET! I politely said "nunya bidness."
6 posted on 08/19/2002 9:08:15 AM PDT by Skooz
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Lo and Behold, the citizenry is beginning to be dimly aware of the cage bars. I have often commented that the current situation in this country makes our grievances against the mother country look trivial by comparison. "Taxation without representation"? How about seizure of assets without even so much as an accusation of criminal activity. We have sat around, fat, dumb and happy and allowed ourselves to be enslaved without even knowing it. All those who died for our freedom must be spinning in their graves.
7 posted on 08/19/2002 9:14:56 AM PDT by RipSawyer
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To: Skooz
My Medical Insurance ID number IS my SSN.

Read the fine print of your privacy policy. Chances are good that your provider is selling all of your personal information to credit agencies like Experian. The credit agencies will in turn sell every prescription you've ever take and every word you've ever spoken to your doctor to any schmuck with $30. Even if the privacy policy precludes this, chances are good when you terminate service or the HMO gets bought out, etc, the privacy policy is invalid and then they will turn a quick buck by hawking your info and your children's personal info. Billy on Ritalin? His future employer will pay to find out.

8 posted on 08/19/2002 9:18:32 AM PDT by AdamSelene235
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To: AdamSelene235
HIPPA.

http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/hipaa/finalreg.html
9 posted on 08/19/2002 10:39:17 AM PDT by ReadMyMind
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Here is an interesting question (I asked the SSN folks and they could not find the answer).

Since Social Security is voluntary - how do I get out?

My state will issue a drivers license if I don't have a SSN so that is not a problem. But I've NEVER been able to find out how to get OUT of the system.

Anyone?

10 posted on 08/19/2002 1:35:52 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: AdamSelene235
"I decided to stop giving out my SSN for a year as an experiment to test how much liberty remains in this country. So far my employer has stripped me of all medical and dental benefits and the local DMV has refused to renew my license. That answered my question."

Liberty simply takes a few extra steps (sounds strange, I suppose).

So you don't want to have or give out an SS#?

No problem. For your driver's license, you need to take your passport (no SS# needed to leave and enter our country) to an international destination and follow their rules for getting an International Driver's License.

Then you need to incorporate, then use that corporate Tax-id number to get your health insurance, banking accounts, stock-trading accounts, telephone, utilities, house, car, et al.

11 posted on 08/19/2002 3:54:52 PM PDT by Southack
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To: taxcontrol
Once you're in, you're in.

Can I give up (renounce) my number?

As far as I can tell, the SSA doesn't recognize any procedure for renouncing your SSN. The one exception I know of is that a parent who can show that a number was assigned to their child without the parent's consent can get the number removed from the SSA's records.

On the other hand, the SSA has no objection to your not revealing your SSN as long as you do not engage in activities that bring you under some legal compulsion to show it.

12 posted on 08/19/2002 4:07:38 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Stand Watch Listen
A revolution is needed in this country... beginning with open resistance against the Social Security system.

If that much is done, everything else is easy.

13 posted on 08/19/2002 4:40:02 PM PDT by Darth Sidious
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To: Darth Sidious
See post #11.
14 posted on 08/19/2002 5:21:36 PM PDT by Southack
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To: Southack
Then you need to incorporate, then use that corporate Tax-id number to get your health insurance, banking accounts, stock-trading accounts, telephone, utilities, house, car, et al.

Evening Southack,

Great minds think alike. Some states allow for the creation of anonymous trusts.

15 posted on 08/19/2002 5:28:59 PM PDT by AdamSelene235
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