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White House Wants Clamp on Clinton Pardons Scandal
NewsMax ^ | Wednesday, Aug. 28, 2002 | Phil Brennan

Posted on 08/28/2002 3:23:53 PM PDT by Mark Felton

The Bush administration is moving to quash any public airing of such scandalous pardons as that of fugitive Marc Rich, and the sleazy activities of first brother Roger Clinton in trying to arrange pardons-for-a-fee for convicted felons.

And a critic alleges that it is a result of "a tacit agreement between the Clintonites and the Bushites not to probe too deeply into each others affairs.?

The White House warns that documents dealing with the last-minute pardons issued by the former president should not be revealed to the public because releasing them would set a precedent that would hamper a president's ability to get confidential advice from parties outside the White House. "The president is entitled to receive confidential advice and candid assessments from government attorneys," said White House spokesman Scott McClellan.

Judicial Watch, a non-profit watchdog group, filed a lawsuit last year seeking to see records of the 177 pardons and commutations that Clinton considered or approved on the last day of his presidency, including the pardon Clinton issued to fugitive international financier Marc Rich. Also sought was data dealing with lobbying done by Clinton?s brother, Roger Clinton, for others seeking presidential clemency.

Government briefs submitted to U.S. District Court earlier this month argued that public revelation of the documents would violate a president?s right to receive confidential advice.

"The release of these documents would have a chilling effect on the deliberative process," McClellan said, adding that the Bush administration is not claiming executive privilege but instead is arguing that Freedom of Information (FOI) laws should not be used to force publication of a president?s decision-making processes. He pointed to a Justice Department memo which argues that the pardon process "is a core presidential power exclusively entrusted and executed by the president himself, and documents generated in the process of developing and providing advice to him are squarely subject to the privilege."

Judicial Watch doesn?t see it that way. The group?s president, Tom Fitton, argues that the Bush administration is claiming that executive-branch communications outside the White House are protected by presidential privilege in the face of court rulings holding that the presidential communication privilege applies only to the president and his advisers inside the White House.

"We believe there is a tacit agreement between the Clintonites and the Bushites not to probe too deeply into each others affairs and this is part of it,? Fitton told the Associated Press.

"What's ludicrous is that the Bush White House is essentially saying, 'Leave Marc Rich alone, leave Roger Clinton alone, they're private figures.'"


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Is this prudent?
1 posted on 08/28/2002 3:23:54 PM PDT by Mark Felton
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To: Mark Felton
The powerful protecting the powerful.
2 posted on 08/28/2002 3:28:51 PM PDT by Howie
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To: Mark Felton
Well, presidential pardon is a constitutional power granted exclusively (obviously) to the president. If the Congress disagrees they can always impeach the president. Ooops, that sometimes does not work. Ah, well, then as a last resort, the people can always vote one or the other out. Hmmmm... been there, done that. The Constitution works fine when applied. Klayman should butt out. IMHO, of course.
3 posted on 08/28/2002 3:32:02 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
Well said.

[BTW, great site.]
4 posted on 08/28/2002 3:34:08 PM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: Mark Felton
Those FBI files obtained by the Clintonite administration have certainly paid for themselves many times over!
5 posted on 08/28/2002 3:38:13 PM PDT by PLK
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To: Mark Felton
The White House warns that documents dealing with the last-minute pardons issued by the former president should not be revealed to the public because releasing them would set a precedent that would hamper a president's ability to get confidential advice from parties outside the White House. "The president is entitled to receive confidential advice and candid assessments from government attorneys," said White House spokesman Scott McClellan.

This is pretty much the same reason that they didn't want the records of the energy task force made public. I think this makes more sense as an explanation than these idiotic conspiracy theories which have as much evidence as the Reagan-Bush-Iran "October Surprise" crapola.

Dems and various other brainless types interpreted the administration's objection to turning over the task force records as that some kind of quid-pro-quo deal had been cut at the meeting, i.e., "you give us a million in soft money and we'll open Alaska to drilling", the kind of thing that makes sense to people who have a cartoonish conception of reality.

I'm not sure, but I believe they lost their effort to keep them secret. In which case, if there was any such thing in there, we all would have heard about it by now.

6 posted on 08/28/2002 3:50:33 PM PDT by lasereye
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I read Ari Fleisher's comments in response to a question on this. He said that it wasn't a matter of executive privilege, rather, was a "standard" exemption claimed in connection with a FOIA request. I tend to believe him, having previously experienced the runaround one gets in making a request under FOIA. My take is that, in time, the documents will come out and the administration will not be blamed by the presstitutes, it will be pursuant to a court order....
7 posted on 08/28/2002 3:57:54 PM PDT by eureka!
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To: Jim Robinson
"The Constitution works fine when applied."

Indeed yes. But,

1) How do we know if the Constitution has been violated when the hard evidence is kept from the people?, and,

2) Who would prosecute the offender if the current President puts the brakes on the Dept of Justice?, and

3) Would the prosecution of Clinton undermine the confidence of the American people in the integrity of our Presidency?

Perhaps our current form of government remains more stable if the Constititution is not rigourously applied in matters that directly deal with corrupt elements of the government. "Keep the people unaroused" might be the approach preferred by President Bush.

8 posted on 08/28/2002 4:15:23 PM PDT by Mark Felton
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Well, it was just my opinion. You and Klayman are welcome to continue your fishing expeditions til hell freezes over as far as I'm concerned. It's your time and your dime. But I do believe you're looking in all the wrong places and for all the wrong things and for all the wrong reasons. Clinton is done. Toast. History. He got away with it. It's now between him and his maker. You want to go after a Clinton, make it Hillary. She's a thousand times more dangerous to our future than Bill.
9 posted on 08/28/2002 4:29:06 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
Well, presidential pardon is a constitutional power granted exclusively (obviously) to the president.

That's true, but it's also true that bribery is a crime.

Selling presidental pardons in exchange for financial contributions to the Clinton Library is a form of bribery. The pardons cannot be undone, but the participants in the bribery can be prosecuted.

This matter needs to be settled in the courts.

10 posted on 08/28/2002 4:30:28 PM PDT by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000
You know what this means, that Bush told the Clintons not to ever think about staining the white house again with their presence! If it keeps Hillary and Bill out, then so be it!
11 posted on 08/28/2002 4:32:26 PM PDT by princess leah
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To: HAL9000
Fine. If and when a crime has been charged against someone, let the courts take it up. I'm all in favor of that. But I sincerely doubt that will ever happen.
12 posted on 08/28/2002 4:33:59 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
This country is certainly large enough to handle more than one prosecution at a time.

And what does it say about the corrupt nature of our government when private individuals must personally fund the prosecution of criminals?

There are definitely bigger fish to fry, but should we overlook misdemeanors because felonies are being committed? Should we overlook tax evaders because murders are unsolved?

A criminal is a criminal. They should be prosecuted by the government no matter what privilege of rank they may have.

13 posted on 08/28/2002 4:35:55 PM PDT by Mark Felton
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To: Jim Robinson
As a bonus, the grand jury investigating the pardons scandal was probably a factor in keeping Hillary out of the 2004 election. Imagine her embarrassment if she had announced her candidacy, and then Roger and Hugh got indicted.
14 posted on 08/28/2002 4:38:46 PM PDT by HAL9000
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To: Mark Felton
Hahaha. Well, I think the entire nation was embroiled in Clinton's misdemeanors for eight years or more. No luck. He got away with it. And whatever Larry Klayman is, he is not a federal prosecutor. He's a dirt digger. And, he's not after the Clintons anyway. He's now shifted to the Bushes. There was some backroom dealing going on all right, but it was not between the Clintons and the Bushes. It was between Clinton and the OIC. They made a deal. Happens all the time. May not be the deal we wanted, and we're definitely not happy with it, but I doubt it wasn't bribery.
15 posted on 08/28/2002 4:43:34 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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"You want to go after a Clinton, make it Hillary. She's a thousand times more dangerous to our future than Bill."

How true. And you will be happy to know that the HogWild Freepers down in here in Arkansas have a website retained "knowhillary.com" just to combat this menace. (You have to say the name of the site to really get the hidden message.) Arkansas Freepers lead the way! Go Hawgs! Wooooo Pig Sooooie!!!

OBTW, if some one could help us get this site designed, we sure would appreciate it. parsy.

(Oh, and you ought to ask us about the other site we got planned. . .)

16 posted on 08/28/2002 4:46:53 PM PDT by parsifal
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To: Jim Robinson
er, I doubt it was bribery.
17 posted on 08/28/2002 4:46:58 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Mark Felton
So what else is new? Bush has been protecting both crooked Clinton's since he took office. I am offend and think that makes Bush just a guilty as the Clinton's.
18 posted on 08/28/2002 4:53:06 PM PDT by Texbob
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To: Jim Robinson
Personally, I would like to see 501c3 organizations have to release a list of their donors and the amounts donated, just like political parties do. The Clinton Library would probably have a lot of 'splainin' to do.

But then, so would Judicial Watch.

Just my opinion, of course.

19 posted on 08/28/2002 4:54:33 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Jim Robinson
"You want to go after a Clinton, make it Hillary. She's a thousand times more dangerous to our future than Bill."

When you are right you are right, and boy are you right about that one.

However, it does beg a fair question. Since Bill Clinton's administration was so very slimy then perhaps digging up enough dirt on it and keeping it in the public eye just might serve to put a damper on Hillary's political ambitions. The Marc Rich pardon is awfully stinky. It's got that deep, nauseating, long term kind of stink that just keeps on giving. I'm not sure she's tricky enough to avoid a load of dirt that stinky. Remember that whole "Two for the price of one, co-presidents" spiel they did early in their career? Can she really distance herself from all that?

20 posted on 08/28/2002 5:03:27 PM PDT by Billy_bob_bob
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