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Outrage as Iraq views UK arms
observer.co.uk ^ | October 13, 2002 | Jason Burke, chief reporter

Posted on 10/13/2002 8:12:17 AM PDT by icantbleaveit

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To: Demidog
The fact that you continue to argue from extreme ignorance should be embarrassing to you.

The fact that you are siding with the left and with the Islamists should be embarrassing to you.

141 posted on 10/13/2002 3:48:19 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: icantbleaveit
Good God, man, no Iraqi military officer is going to be able to do anything with any information he gets at this time! Time's far too short for them.

We need defectors desperately. This is our big moment to get up-to-the-minute, behind the scenes info on Saddam and his preparations. What better way than to show his monkeys-being-led-by-a-madman that it's "jump ship now or die with a Brit SAS/USSF bullet through your teeth."

Let 'em come! Confidently scare the crap out of 'em! We want scud marks in their underwear now!

HF

142 posted on 10/13/2002 4:39:11 PM PDT by holden
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To: Demidog
Most of the claims made about Iraq are absolutely false.

Oh thanks! I've been looking for all the answers!

Could you please provide a list of all the false claims for me? Also, since you obviously know all, please provide a list of all the true claims.

I don't know how I've made it this far without you, Demi

lol

143 posted on 10/13/2002 5:26:20 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Demidog
Yeah. Lying. Big time.

"I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building," - GW Bush - 2000 Campaign

"We’re not into nation-building," - GW Bush Sept 2001

"The United States, along with the European Union and Arab states, will work with Palestinian leaders to create a new constitutional framework, and a working democracy for the Palestinian people. And the United States, along with others in the international community will help the Palestinians organize and monitor fair, multi-party local elections by the end of the year, with national elections to follow." - GW Bush 2002

The primary focus of the Presidents policy is to remove two dictators, Sadaam and Arafat, both of whom support terrorism.

It is the vacuum that the removal of these two dictators will cause, that will necessitate some sort of nation building.

So the nation building in Iraq and Palestine is the result of the primary focus, unlike in Bosnia and Haiti, where the primary focus was -- NATION BUILDING!

You take the President out of context. You don't even show the full context of his three quotes.

144 posted on 10/13/2002 6:06:02 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Demidog
"In spite of all the blustering, the administration cannot come up with even the most tenuous of evidence. "

You are the epitome of arrogance!
How in the hell do you know what the administration has come up with?
Do you actually think that you know everything they know?

145 posted on 10/13/2002 6:12:01 PM PDT by COB1
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To: icantbleaveit

Money I Think not

146 posted on 10/13/2002 6:20:13 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: jimtorr
"The "bazaar" is in Jordan, and the UK therefore has no control over who shows up; 2. British arms makers and a govt. minister showing up does not equate to selling Britis weapons to Iraq;

The British Government "Does" have control over their countries businesses as to where and to whom these weapons can be shown and sold; if they won't control these businesses who make these weapons, then they are complicit with them, and should be guilty of shedding American blood if these weapons in turn are used against our military.

147 posted on 10/13/2002 8:37:59 PM PDT by webber
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To: Beenliedto
"The perps of the WTC horror were not Iraqui...They were Saudi..."

You've been lied to.....AGAIN! The Terrorists were aided and abetted by Saddam Hussein. There are tons of articles referring to this. You should keep up with current events before you post disinfo's on FR.

148 posted on 10/13/2002 8:47:27 PM PDT by webber
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To: EternalVigilance
Are we 'nation-building' in Afgahistan? Not by the definition that was in play when Bush was asked the question you are referring to. We have aided the transition to a free government, yes...but we are not doing what an occupying power would classically be thought of as 'nation-building'.

Oh really? This sounds like the "depends on what the meaning of the word 'is'" defense.

Special forces are providing the equivalent of secret service protection to Afghan's leaders (not popularly elected it must be noted.)

We occupy Afghanistan and it is for the purpose of getting a gas pipeline built into the Caspian sea.

This becomes obvious to anyone who acknowledges the fact that the US has fresh military bases all along the route of the long-planned and frequently foiled caspian gas line.

Bush criticized the Clinton administration in the second debate for just this very sort of thing. His target was Haiti and Somolia (oddly enough he avoided talking about Serbia which was a gross display of US support of Al Queda trained KLA forces).

There's no spinning this in Bush's favor. He's a bald-faced liar and certainly there's no denying that the plan for Iraq is in fact nation-building.

149 posted on 10/13/2002 8:50:11 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: icantbleaveit
These terrorists should not be safe in Iraq or anywhere. I propose bounties for their heads. This is truly disgusting.
150 posted on 10/13/2002 8:50:59 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution
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To: EternalVigilance
The fact that you are siding with the left and with the Islamists should be embarrassing to you.

Logical fallacy. Because I do not agree with Bush's foreign policy is not an indication I support the left. In fact I believe that Bush himself is far left of center thus by definition I oppose the left. I have always opposed the left which is why I have no respect for Bush.

151 posted on 10/13/2002 8:52:18 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: COB1
Do you actually think that you know everything they know?

Look at what you're arguing. You're attempting to use what they haven't said as some sort of proof that they must know what they're doing.

Please tell me you aren't trying to convince me that a lack of evidence is actually a good reason to attack Iraq.

152 posted on 10/13/2002 8:55:22 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: ApesForEvolution
These terrorists should not be safe in Iraq or anywhere. I propose bounties for their heads.

Ron Paul proposed this. His bill never made it out of committee. That should give you an idea how far democrats and republicans have their heads up their collective butt....

153 posted on 10/13/2002 9:01:13 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: Principled
I've actually already provided a link to the false claims made by the administration and Ron Paul's rebuttal. I'm quite sure you're really not interested in the truth.
154 posted on 10/13/2002 9:03:53 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: Principled

icantbleaveit signed up 2002-08-01.
155 posted on 10/13/2002 9:04:37 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Demidog
"Please tell me you aren't trying to convince me that a lack of evidence is actually a good reason to attack Iraq."

I'm not trying to convince you of anything!
You are a lost cause!
What I'm trying to bring to the general debate is the fact that our intelligence gathering departments know a helluva lot more about what is going on that we do, and that's the way it should be.

I happen to believe in my President.
If he says there is credible evidence present to attack Iraq, then I'd hit them tonight.

156 posted on 10/13/2002 9:07:28 PM PDT by COB1
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To: Demidog
I agree. I'm not a big fan of many candidates in most parties - and NONE for a long time in the leftist, liberal, socialist, communist, watermelon, satan-sell-out democrat party. I refuse to hire democrats even, because they simply have zero to offer (but don't tell anyone that:). I can ferret one out in about 2 benign questions.

Surely someone can do some dirty work without legislation having to pass? (Hint, hint, nod, nod, wink, wink)
157 posted on 10/13/2002 9:09:03 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution
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To: FreeReign
You take the President out of context.

B.S. You cannot say "we're not into nation-building" as a categorical statement and then squirm out of it by applying it into some narrow context. That last quote was AFTER Bush was elected. He's a liar and you've had too much of the kool-aid.

158 posted on 10/13/2002 9:09:41 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: Paleo Conservative
Just curious, but what does that and a $1.00 get you? The dink poster in question not withstanding, 'seniorty' of sign up is the top criterion for what? Just curious. I have lurked for years before starting to interact. Some posters here the longest have proven to be some of the biggest dinks...
159 posted on 10/13/2002 9:12:08 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution
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To: webber
The Terrorists were aided and abetted by Saddam Hussein.

False. There is exactly ONE event that led some people to believe that this was so. And that event itself is completely unsubstantiated. There's no paper trail, no forensic evidence, only the conflicting reports regarding a meeting between an alleged Al Queda official and an Iraqi. The report has never been substantiated but it has been oft-repeated.

160 posted on 10/13/2002 9:13:39 PM PDT by Demidog
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