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Outrage as Iraq views UK arms
observer.co.uk ^ | October 13, 2002 | Jason Burke, chief reporter

Posted on 10/13/2002 8:12:17 AM PDT by icantbleaveit

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To: Demidog
so you admit you have no factual rebuttal.

No, again you are too closed minded. Back up and consider what I've been saying.

You are too close to Paul's opinions, considering them as factual without benefit of discussion. Your underlying assumption (that Ron Paul's speech is gospel) is certainly not proven. Hell, you didn't even try. If you ever do want to discuss merits of his speech, great. But as long as you continue to insist that his opinion is fact and all others are wrong you'll find yourself like a religious zealot trying to debate his faith. Your faith (in Paul) interferes with your logic.

There is just no use in even conversing with such an individual...

201 posted on 10/14/2002 2:05:58 PM PDT by Principled
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To: EternalVigilance
I have a solution

When the Iraqis show up, take them into custody and ship them off to the POW camp for the duration.

Certainly not. If we're using such opportunities- or our allies are- to remain in discrete contact with those Iraqi officers who may be in a position to eliminate Saddam and his most loyal henchmen, I'm in particular favour of it- and I certainly hope they have effective tools for getting the job done when their time comes to do so.

And besides, it's an equally swell opportunity to spot those other officers we might face in a near-future conflict and reason with them, arranging safe passage for them and their units via a quick surrender in the field. And should they not be so inclined, some little crumbs can be left for Saddam's counterintelligence Gestapo to find- artfull telephone intercepts or videotapes, perhaps- that indicate the officers who are remaining loyal for whatever reasons have been turned against Saddam, our dirty work can be done for us...and their replacements may be more cooperative.

but the opportunity to lay such traps needs to not be disturbed. Kindly do not crap in the nest where the pros at this sort of mischief play.

-archy-/-

202 posted on 10/14/2002 5:58:34 PM PDT by archy
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To: Principled
If you ever do want to discuss merits of his speech, great.

Well, you've had 3 chances so far and every time you have avoided talking about any facts. I assume that Paul's facts are correct because he not only sources them, but you and others haven't offered even one factual rebuttal to his statements. Nor has the administration.

203 posted on 10/14/2002 6:18:45 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: Demidog
You seem to stuck on just this one news item. Check out the news in the past week and you will see several SUBSTANTIATED links between Irag and al Qaeda. I know, I know. Don't confuse me with facts, I'm not going to change my mind - proof or not.
204 posted on 10/14/2002 7:49:17 PM PDT by webber
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To: webber
Well it'd be nice if you could give me a hint so I know what I'm looking for. If it's the satelite photos, they don't prove a whole lot.
205 posted on 10/14/2002 8:31:05 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: Demidog
Demi, if you truly wanted a discussion, you wouldn't slam a huge document on us then require us to digest in entirely and argue it. That's a ploy tried by those who do not desire a discussion.

If you DID want a discussion, you would identify any number of key assertions and then place them in the forum for debate. That's not what you've done.

You've slammed us with a big document and claimed it as 100% factual b/c you don't see us all jumping at your link to disect it. Well, self-centered one, get a clue. If you want to discuss a topic, put one out there, don't put out a huge document full of myriad topics and assertions and expect us all to jump.

I'm fairly certain you'll continue to insist that it must be all 100% fact, regardless of the lack of discussion. So, go ahead. Enjoy your omniscience... by yourself. That's all you've got.

206 posted on 10/15/2002 7:38:20 AM PDT by Principled
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To: Principled
Demi, if you truly wanted a discussion, you wouldn't slam a huge document on us then require us to digest in entirely and argue it.

If you wanted to discuss facts, you would discuss them. You don't and now this is 4 posts that you have made full of excuses about why you won't look at the facts.

The document isn't that big. I managed to read it in about 8 minutes. You aren't interested in the truth. In fact you've done just about everything you can to avoid it. You accuse me of accepting Paul's statements as truth without any consideration and yet you haven't even read the information. That should embarrass you but somehow I think you'll simply continue with your stall and evade tactics.

207 posted on 10/15/2002 8:51:51 AM PDT by Demidog
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To: Principled
If you DID want a discussion, you would identify any number of key assertions and then place them in the forum for debate. That's not what you've done.

LOL....they were placed on the forum for debate. There have been less than 30 comments in that thread last I checked. That's how interested in the facts all you "bomb Iraq" folks are....

208 posted on 10/15/2002 8:53:35 AM PDT by Demidog
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bttt
209 posted on 10/15/2002 5:29:09 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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