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Outrage as Iraq views UK arms
observer.co.uk ^ | October 13, 2002 | Jason Burke, chief reporter

Posted on 10/13/2002 8:12:17 AM PDT by icantbleaveit

Outrage as Iraq views UK arms

Peace campaigners angered as Saddam's top brass
'rub shoulders' with British firms at weapons bazaar

Jason Burke, chief reporter
Sunday October 13, 2002
The Observer

A British Minister will lead a major sales drive by UK weapons
and military technology firms at an exhibition attended by
high-ranking Iraqi military officials this week.

The news has sparked outrage among arms control
campaigners and groups opposed to military action against Iraq.
'It is absurd that we are gearing up to fight a war against these
people and simultaneously rubbing shoulders with them at an
arms bazaar,' said Martin Hogbin of the Campaign Against Arms
Trade.

Around a dozen British firms will be displaying equipment such
as tanks, thermal imaging night sights and state-of-the-art air
defence missiles at the exhibition in Amman, Jordan. Machine
tools that could be used to produce weapons will also be on
show. The government-run Defence Export Services
Organisation will also have a stall.

Promotional material for the Sofex military fair boasts that
Saddam Hussein is sending an official delegation. Sultan
Hashim Ahmad, the Iraqi Defence Minister, attended the last
Sofex. Sudan, Syria, Libya and Iran - all listed as sponsors of
terrorism by the US State Department - are also expected to
attend.

'It's an appalling example of double standards. Where there is a
buck to be made, we're there,' said Andrew Bergen, spokesman
for the Stop the War Coalition, which campaigns against military
action against Iraq.

In the Eighties the UK and US supplied Iraq with millions of
pounds' worth of military equipment. Baghdad used British
companies to procure 'dual-use' machine tools to make
ammunition. Even though the UK had imposed an embargo on
'lethal equipment', the Conservative Government let the sales
proceed.

The Ministry of Defence confirmed last week that Lord Bach, the
Defence Procurement Minister, would be attending the fair.
'Sofex allows the UK defence industry to demonstrate its
product range to a number of potential overseas customers very
effectively,' said an MoD spokesman.

There is no suggestion that the British firms are doing anything
wrong. 'We exhibit there. The Government decides what we can
sell to whom,' said a spokesman for the American military
aviation giant Lockheed Martin, whose British arm is attending
the fair. Lockheed Martin makes the Longbow 'fire-and-forget'
and the Hellfire 2 anti-tank missiles. Both would be expected to
play a key role in any attack on Iraq.

Some senior industry figures, however, have expressed surprise
at the British presence. 'Are we there to show the Iraqis what we
are about to drop on them?' one asked. Exhibition organisers list
Raytheon, the American company which makes the long-range
Cruise missiles that experts predict would spearhead any US
bombardment of Iraq, among companies at the fair. Vickers, the
UK arms company which makes the Challenger, the Army's
main battle tank, will also be exhibiting.

Sales by British firms are carefully vetted, but other nations are
less rigorous. The Russian state arms export corporation,
Rosoboronexport, which will be at Sofex, provided Robert
Mugabe's regime in Zimbabwe with 21,000 AK-47s and eight
attack helicopters.

A Romanian firm which offered banned anti-personnel mines for
sale at an arms fair in the UK three years ago, will exhibit, as
well as Vazovski, a Bulgarian company, which makes grenade
launchers, missile and anti-aircraft systems. Vazovski small
arms were shipped to Unita rebels with false 'end-user'
certificates in the late Nineties.

Britain has always had a tradition of military co-operation with
Jordan and the strong representation of UK companies at the fair
is being seen as an expression of support for the government of
King Abdullah. The Jordanian economy benefits hugely from
trade with Iraq. Any military operations will have a massive
impact in the kingdom.

The Middle East has long been a good market for British
weapons firms. According to recent Foreign Office figures, the
UK licensed arms exports worth £1.4 billion to the Middle East
and North Africa between January 1999 and December 2001.


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This war seems to be about "MONEY".

Oil money
Big Business money
Military Arms Makers money

1 posted on 10/13/2002 8:12:18 AM PDT by icantbleaveit
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To: icantbleaveit
This war seems to be about protecting innocent lives.

You speak as though neither your life nor the lives of your loved ones are in danger.

Either you're stupid or in a cave.

2 posted on 10/13/2002 8:14:44 AM PDT by Principled
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To: icantbleaveit
I have a solution.

When the Iraqis show up, take them into custody and ship them off to the POW camp for the duration.

Same with any reps who show from any other terrorist-supporting regimes like Iran, Syria, et al.

It's crazy to do anything else.
3 posted on 10/13/2002 8:16:42 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: icantbleaveit
Your mind has been infected by the left's propaganda...find a good deprogrammer.
4 posted on 10/13/2002 8:19:04 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Principled
So there Principled, you agree with the Iraq Military purchasers in that they have the right to buy the best arms to kill you and your children?

How much stock do you have in the arms makers?

5 posted on 10/13/2002 8:20:58 AM PDT by icantbleaveit
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To: icantbleaveit
Let's hope your stay here at FreeRepublic helps you see the error of your thinking.
6 posted on 10/13/2002 8:21:08 AM PDT by Glenn
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To: Glenn
So you are another one who wants Iraq to have the best weapons to fight our troops.

You are in the same class as Klinton.

7 posted on 10/13/2002 8:24:43 AM PDT by icantbleaveit
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To: icantbleaveit
Where did you read anything like that?

Oh, yeah... I forgot you're too dumb to use fact.

8 posted on 10/13/2002 8:29:11 AM PDT by Principled
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To: icantbleaveit
I strongly disagree with you that this war is all about making money for the oil and arms industries, but I agree with you that it is absolutely ludicrous that the UK is allowing Iraq to buy sophisticated military equipment at this time.
9 posted on 10/13/2002 8:29:28 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: icantbleaveit
Which part of the story indicates that the British Government is allowing arms sales to Iraq?
10 posted on 10/13/2002 8:30:30 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: icantbleaveit
icantbleaveit signed up 2002-08-01.

Let us hope that your stay is brief if you think this war is about money.

If we wanted Iraq's oil then we would simply drop the sanctions and buy it. Spending billions of dollars militarily to take billions of dollars worth of oil is stupid. I would not recommend that you spend a million dollars to hire someone to break into my house as I will you all of my stuff for far less.

False economy and lack of logic.


Stay safe; stay armed.


11 posted on 10/13/2002 8:32:01 AM PDT by Eaker
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To: icantbleaveit
I remember there were British firms that sold weapons to some of the Far East trouble spots during WW2 that were used against British troops.

Opportunists.

12 posted on 10/13/2002 8:34:11 AM PDT by nightdriver
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To: icantbleaveit
Ok, I guess your just stupid, it doesn't matter what class of weapon the Iraqi military have. They are not capable or WILLING to use them. You may shortly see what the BEST trained and TOTALLY motivated troops on the face of the earth can accomplish in a VERY short period. I can only hope we have accomondations for all those surrendering Republican Guards. From the proud Uncle of a VERY fine young Marine.
13 posted on 10/13/2002 8:35:19 AM PDT by Camel Joe
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To: Eaker
Let us hope that your stay is brief if you think this war is about money.

Then why is Tony Blair(our primary ally) allowing Iraq arms buyers to do this?

14 posted on 10/13/2002 8:35:27 AM PDT by icantbleaveit
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To: icantbleaveit
Oil money Big Business money Military Arms Makers money

Actually, it has absolutely nothing to do with anything on your list. Where the heck did you get a dumb bass idea like that?
If you'd pay attention to what's happening in the world: Iraq has supported and trained Al Quata, as well as thwarted a peace deal it agreed to when it lost the gulf war.
If Iraq was not a threat, as the "left-over peace-nicks from the '60's" seem to claim, why would they even be concerned about Iraq buying weapons? After all, they claim he's a man of peace, just like Muslim Al Quata is a religon of peace, right?

Stupid liberals. Nothing in their heads but dust. *sigh*

15 posted on 10/13/2002 8:36:35 AM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: icantbleaveit
I'd like to make three points here:

1. The "bazaar" is in Jordan, and the UK therefore has no control over who shows up;
2. British arms makers and a govt. minister showing up does not equate to selling Britis weapons to Iraq;
3. Any upcoming military action is about terrorism - or have you forgotten?
16 posted on 10/13/2002 8:37:20 AM PDT by jimtorr
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To: Rye
I strongly disagree with you that this war is all about making money for the oil and arms industries, but I agree with you that it is absolutely ludicrous that the UK is allowing Iraq to buy sophisticated military equipment at this time.

Thank you. The first saine reply on this thread.

17 posted on 10/13/2002 8:37:23 AM PDT by icantbleaveit
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To: EternalVigilance
Your mind has been infected by the left's propaganda...find a good deprogrammer.

Methinks the pot calls the kettle black.

18 posted on 10/13/2002 8:38:11 AM PDT by Beenliedto
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To: EternalVigilance
When the Iraqis show up, take them into custody and ship them off to the POW camp for the duration.

Nope. They're the conduit to the Iraqui military, and we're no doubt using them to get the word out. Behind the scenes military commanders are being warned to desert or lay down their arms when the war starts, or face immediate destruction or a post-war trial. Many if not most of them will, making our job much easier.

19 posted on 10/13/2002 8:38:49 AM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: icantbleaveit
This war seems to be about money? Wipe your glasses. The war is about terrorism, death, mass mureder, and a soulless dictator who hasn't hesitated and will not hesitate in the future to use whatever weapons he has at his disposal whenever he thinks he can do so without penalty to himself.

Unfortunately, opportunists always come out of the woodwork-- and not just when there's war.

20 posted on 10/13/2002 8:39:29 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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