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Outrage as Iraq views UK arms
observer.co.uk ^ | October 13, 2002 | Jason Burke, chief reporter

Posted on 10/13/2002 8:12:17 AM PDT by icantbleaveit

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To: jimtorr
1. The "bazaar" is in Jordan, and the UK therefore has no control over who shows up;
2. British arms makers and a govt. minister showing up does not equate to selling Britis weapons to Iraq;
3. Any upcoming military action is about terrorism - or have you forgotten?

Good post. Right to the point.

21 posted on 10/13/2002 8:40:48 AM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: icantbleaveit
Then why is Tony Blair(our primary ally) allowing Iraq arms buyers to do this?

To do what?? Do you think they are handing out free samples of enriched uranium or something?

Get a clue. If the Iraqis see weapons that will blow them up, what are they going to do about it?

None of this stuff is classified. All of it is embargoed. I'm sure Iraqis have also gone to airshows and seen B-52s or F-16s up close. BFD.

22 posted on 10/13/2002 8:41:20 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: icantbleaveit
You are in the same class as Klinton.

I understand you are a FR newbie so I'll explain the rule: The first one to accuse someone of being Clintonion automatically loses. Now, move along.

23 posted on 10/13/2002 8:42:50 AM PDT by Glenn
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To: concerned about politics
Well said.

If we wanted oil, we could easily buy it for far less that it costs (both financially and politically) to go to war.

It is painfully obvious that the poster is myopic to the point of ignorance.

24 posted on 10/13/2002 8:43:12 AM PDT by Principled
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To: Eaker
Beenliedto signed up 1998-10-18.

This war is about money... and it's not just on the surface.

It's the repair of oil fields which will certainly be damaged as the result of any US action in the region.

It's about control of the Iraqi oil reserves, which will result in the US being aboe to control the world flow and price of oil.

It's about defense contractors selling arms to the US and others.

And let us not forget that many of those who are in positions to make decisions stand to be financially rewarded.

Always follow the money.

25 posted on 10/13/2002 8:43:54 AM PDT by Beenliedto
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To: icantbleaveit
Saine?

It's you who needs to call for the orderly---your meds need upping.

You come here and spout Islamist and leftwing tinfoil hat propaganda, and then think everyone who scoffs at your envious class-based poppycock is crazy?

Ah well, I guess those who have lost their grip on reality always figure it's everyone else who has gone mad...

Tell the medic you want to try Thorazine--I hear it works pretty well.

26 posted on 10/13/2002 8:45:03 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: icantbleaveit
Then why is Tony Blair(our primary ally) allowing Iraq arms buyers to do this?

All they can do at the show is look, not buy. Even if Iraq was allowed to buy weapons from the Brits, which they are not, by the time they could take delivery on any order, the war would be over. This is nothing more than window shopping. Big deal.

27 posted on 10/13/2002 8:45:08 AM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: icantbleaveit
Then why is Tony Blair(our primary ally) allowing Iraq arms buyers to do this?

Information and specifications on everything that is currently being show is available via "Google" search. Nothing being shown is a secret. It has all been available from Janes for a good long time.

None of this will be sold to Iraq legally. With enough money Iraq can buy almost anything on the black market. What part of this is not clear to you???


Stay safe; stay armed.


28 posted on 10/13/2002 8:46:34 AM PDT by Eaker
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To: Eaker
I wonder if the Iraq arms purchasers are saying this to the arms dealers?

Saddam's New Decree: 'I'll Cut Your Tongue Out'

29 posted on 10/13/2002 8:54:47 AM PDT by icantbleaveit
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To: Beenliedto
This war is about money... and it's not just on the surface.

Wow. You're psychic, then. Were you a Florida ballot recounter, too?
Amazing how you can arm chair and still read the minds of those in control of American lives. Amazing how you know SOOOOOO much more than they.
BTW, do these images come in pictures, or do you hear voices in your head?

30 posted on 10/13/2002 8:56:15 AM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: concerned about politics
Amazing how you can arm chair and still read the minds of those in control of American lives.

Actually, it's not difficult. As I said at the end of my post, all you have to do to understand events is follow the money.

It's always been that way, it's that way now, and it'll always be that way.

If you think differently, you're not watching what's going on, you're just duped by the propoganda.

31 posted on 10/13/2002 8:59:48 AM PDT by Beenliedto
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To: icantbleaveit
This war seems to be about "MONEY".

Oil money
Big Business money
Military Arms Makers money

You're really p*ssing me off.

This war is about men, women and children being brutally attacked and charred beyond recognition by heartless killers.

It is about Americans who were forced to choose between being burned to death and jumping to their certain deaths.

It is about peace-loving Israelis, Americans, Indonesions, and others who just want to enjoy their life in security without having to worry about crazed Islamists killing their children, blowing them up with nail and rat poison infected bombs, or hijacking our planes into our national landmarks.

Whether you have enough presence of mind to realize that you are doing the Jihadists work for them or not, it is the truth.

You should go somewhere else to spout your leftist screed....somewhere where they appreciate it. DU would work.

32 posted on 10/13/2002 9:01:36 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: icantbleaveit
I agree - it is about money, oil and power. The UK is being highly hypocritical in its 'ethical foreign policy'.
33 posted on 10/13/2002 9:05:06 AM PDT by Kate22
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To: Beenliedto
If you think differently, you're not watching what's going on, you're just duped by the propoganda.

So, you're saying Bush is lieing, and that we should have no fear of Saddam and his weapons, training Al Quata, and Al Quata Aid. We should just look past that, and see money?

34 posted on 10/13/2002 9:06:31 AM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: EternalVigilance
It is about Americans who were forced to choose between being burned to death and jumping to their certain deaths.

I think perhaps you're confused about one central point here.

The perps of the WTC horror were not Iraqui...

They were Saudi....

You know, Saudi, our good friends in the middle east.

Iraq in all likelihood had absolutly nothing to do with it.

Iraq is a secular Arab state, The WTC perps were (are) Islanic fundamentalists.

Wake up!!

35 posted on 10/13/2002 9:07:13 AM PDT by Beenliedto
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To: Beenliedto
Okay, so you've been registered since 1998. That only means that you've been a knee-jerk libertarian since at least1998.

National defense is a legimate function of the Federal Government. It's right there in the constitution. Even most Libertarians admit that.

Islamists, including the ones who have attacked us, say that their ultimate goal is to create an Islamic state in the USA by whatever means come to hand. We know that the preferred method of the Islamists is violence, terrorism and war.

What part of defending the Constitution don't you understand?
36 posted on 10/13/2002 9:07:39 AM PDT by jimtorr
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To: Principled; EternalVigilance
I've seen a LOT of this kind of drivel, and not just from the Left.

The Pat Buchanan wing of "Conservatism" is hard at it as well. These are people who hate Bush so much, they can't see past that hatred to what is right for America.

Buchanan believes we just need to "contain" Saddam like we have been doing. Secretly, and think he and people like him would like for Saddam to hit us, hard, hoping that will cause us to disengage from the world and turn "armadillo" like Buchanan and his panty-waist cronies want us to do.

37 posted on 10/13/2002 9:07:58 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: icantbleaveit; Principled; Glenn
To: Principled......So there Principled, you agree with the Iraq Military purchasers in that they have the right to buy the best arms to kill you and your children? How much stock do you have in the arms makers?

To: Glenn..... So you are another one who wants Iraq to have the best weapons to fight our troops. You are in the same class as Klinton.

Excuse me, icantbleaveit, but where exactly in the article does it say anything about the U.K. companies selling weapons to Iraq?

Show us.

All the article states is that the "No War With Iraq" crowd, which you seem to be a member of, is using the arms show as a propaganda tool. Arms sales to Iraq are illegal and no U.K. arms maker will be selling arms to Iraq. If they do, the Britons involved will be facing a loooong stay in one of Her Majesty's prisons .

So, the whole "No War With Iraq" argument in this case boils down to the fact that individuals on opposites sides of a war are "rubbing elbows" at a public venue in a neutral third country.

Gasp!! The horror!!! Who ever heard of such a dastardly thing!!!!

Look, icantbleaveit, enemies have been rubbing elbows in neutral third countries since the dawn of History.

During the American Civil War, Cuba was a center of activity for Confederate blockade running. Outside the old city walls of Havana was a popular tavern called "The Louvre". Confederate blockade runner crews and U.S. Navy crews would routinely gather at that neutral Cuban tavern to drink Cuban rum together and shoot the breeze .

The Confederate blockade runners would try to pick up loose talk about where the U.S. Navy ships would be stationed. The U.S. Navy crews would try to pick up loose talk about when a Confederarate would make a break for the open sea.

Enemies "rub elbows" in public venues in neutral countries. It's part of the intelligence game. It has been going on for thousands of years and will continue to go on until the end of History.

38 posted on 10/13/2002 9:08:28 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: icantbleaveit
I wonder if the Iraq arms purchasers are saying this to the arms dealers?

Why would they ask this question? You have lost me now. I would venture a guess that the arms dealers are better armed than the Iraq arms purchasers.


Stay safe; stay armed.


39 posted on 10/13/2002 9:11:50 AM PDT by Eaker
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To: Polybius
The guy is full of everything except facts.

He's a "when did you stop beating your wife" kind of debater. No fact, just unrelated accusations intended to deflect from the issue at hand.

Liberal technique to the T.

40 posted on 10/13/2002 9:14:03 AM PDT by Principled
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