Outrage as Iraq views UK arms

observer.co.uk ^ | October 13, 2002 | Jason Burke, chief reporter

[EternalVigilance]

Reservations about the war, my *ss.

This jerk supports the terrorists.

And by the way, being paralyzed with fear about what they may or may not do, and allowing that fear to keep us from taking action, is a recipe for defeat and subjagation.

H*ll, those who adopt that stance are defeated already...might as well just let them kill you and get it over with.

[Demidog]

And where do think they got the anthrax?

From a US lab. That has already been established as fact there genius.

[Demidog]

Yeah, we knew it was a breeding ground for terrorists long before 9-11

Earth to you....it was the US that established the "breeding ground." It started under Jimmy Carter and support for terrorists in Afghanistan was increased even more under Ronald Reagan who called the Mujaheden "the moral equivalent of our founding fathers."

[EternalVigilance]

You make the error of imposing today's realities on the realities of 20 years ago. It reminds me of those who critique the Founding Fathers for living the way people lived in the 18th century--supposing that they should somehow have found a way then to live up to 21st century morays.

Reagan was faced with one prime danger...Soviet communism. We are faced with an entirely different threat...radical Islam. Two different animals, with vastly different strategic problems.

So, if this is some grand conspiracy based on greed and resources, and isn't really based in anger at Islamic terrorism, or fear of what they might do to our people next, what would you propose we do?

Imagine you are the President for a day...what is the Demidog Doctrine? Please be specific--I'll stop in later in the day to be enriched by your vision to solve this most pressing of problems.

[Demidog]

You make the error of imposing today's realities on the realities of 20 years ago.

This is why I have to laugh when people like you call me and anyone else who disagrees with Bush's foreign polcies "leftists."

This same canard is often trotted out when talking about gun control...."Well if you want the right not to be infringed, go ahead and carry your musket anywhere you wish.."

What "reality" has changed in the past 20 years? As recently as July of 2001, the BUSH administration gave 43 million in aid (10 million in cash) to the TALIBAN.

[EternalVigilance]

You keep changing the subject. I was directly referencing your blast at Reagan, and your pretense that he should have somehow not backed the Afghanis in their war against the Soviets, because after all, in his infinite wisdom, he should have known that they would end up killing Americans...and acting as if somehow, that means our country backs its own enemies. You keep tweaking the timeline mercilessly.

I only said you are siding with the leftists, because it is their constant refrain that it is all the fault of those evil corporations. It is exactly that sort of class warfare rhetoric that folks like Daschle, Wellstone, Harkin, et all use to keep up the illusion of being 'for the little guy'.

Capitalism and corporations are not the enemy of my country...Islam is.

Later.

[Demidog]

You keep changing the subject. I was directly referencing your blast at Reagan, and your pretense that he should have somehow not backed the Afghanis in their war against the Soviets, because after all, in his infinite wisdom, he should have known that they would end up killing Americans

Selective reading. It was Carter who began support of the Mujahaden.

I only said you are siding with the leftists, because it is their constant refrain that it is all the fault of those evil corporations.

I think the reality is that you didn't have a better argument so you resorted to ad hominem (logical fallacy) rather than rebut the facts because I never blamed anything on "evil corporations."

[Principled]

I'm quite sure you're really not interested in the truth.

What makes you think I'm not really interested in the truth???

[The Great Satan]

From a US lab. That has already been established as fact there genius.

Oh, yeah. And when did this happen? I must have missed that news bulletin.

[Demidog]

Oh, yeah. And when did this happen? I must have missed that news bulletin.

Yeah, you must have. Perhaps you can explain why the FBI have been focusing their efforts on American scientists who worked within the DoD's bio-weapons program. It's becuase the Anthrax was determined to have come from within an American lab.

[Demidog]

What makes you think I'm not really interested in the truth???

It's quite obvious by your sarcastic "rebuttal" of established fact. I provided a link up the thread. Here it is for you to read again since I'm quite sure you haven't followed the link I provided earlier.

Iraq: Claim VS Reality

[The Great Satan]

You must be the last person in America to put any stock in the "Amerithrax" investigation. Haven't you noticed that everybody else has moved on?

[EternalVigilance]

The left's main talking points these days are that the war is all about Bush's rich buddies and oil.

It's an insulting lie...designed to appeal to voter's lower nature and envy.

Your arguments, while certainly having a measure of validity, (the world is a complicated place, inhabited by many greedy opportunists) are ill-timed in the extreme, because they are doing nothing but serving the left, whether you will admit it or not.

You just haven't realized how much the world has changed since 9-11-01, my friend.

[Principled]

Why do you insist that your preferred link is the only truth? Myopic.

[Demidog]

are ill-timed in the extreme

The timing is irrelevant. The evidence and the truth are what is important. Yeah, the left will rely upon the same canards time and time again but even the left is prone to interventionist policies when it suits them.

You just haven't realized how much the world has changed since 9-11-01, my friend.

It hasn't changed at all. That is the point. Terrorism has existed since men banded together and eked out "civilized" societies.

[Demidog]

Why do you insist that your preferred link is the only truth?

I don't. Did you have any rebuttal to the facts that Paul laid out or is this your best shot?

[EternalVigilance]

I saw Diogenisis' thread a bit ago...one of the pics was of supposed Americans marching through the streets in Europe with signs castigating the 'BU$H War'.

If you want to march with them, go right ahead. Just don't be surprised when some of us aren't very happy about it.

[Principled]

Did you have any rebuttal to the facts...

You see yourself type that?

Yes, you do believe in your heart that only you and Ron Paul have any facts behind you.

Following your "logic", I would type any link to anyone's opinion on the subject then claim it as truth - trolling for takers to argue MY link.

No thanks. Troll for other narrow minded ones.

[Demidog]

You see yourself type that?

Uhhh....so you admit you have no factual rebuttal. Thanks.

[JoeMomma]

but I agree with you that it is absolutely ludicrous that the UK is allowing Iraq to buy sophisticated military equipment at this time.

I would certainly question why American corporations like Raytheon and Lockheed Martin are in on this event in Jordan WHILE Hussein's folks are there. I know the article states that the UK arms of Lockheed is there, but all in all it IS an American-based company.

The second question is why is the US Government allowing LH and Raytheon do an exhibit for this event? Shouldn't national security come before defense industry profit?

I don't think that this war is about money and oil, but it's absolutely insane that American companies are considering selling to our enemies.