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Democrats in Distress - and their Suicide Queen (vanity, about Pelosi and the Democrats in general)
My Pointed Head | 11/08/02 | xm177e2

Posted on 11/08/2002 3:22:38 PM PST by xm177e2

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To: Tacis
And Alan Page in Minnesota. Sorry, wrong color....
21 posted on 11/08/2002 4:44:37 PM PST by eureka!
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To: fhayek
By the way, who now becomes the president pro tempore of the senate?
22 posted on 11/08/2002 4:45:45 PM PST by fhayek
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To: eureka!; Tacis
And Alan Page in Minnesota.

I was just looking for his name. I was going to use him as an example of Democratic racism.

But I was also going to point out that what happened to McCall wasn't an example of racism. They abandoned him because he was losing. Politicians are heartless that way, but unbiased.

23 posted on 11/08/2002 4:47:13 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: Tacis
Since the election, I've seen Al Sharpton, Mume F? NAACP, and, now, Ford expressing their displeasure with the dems. Either they were promised something and let down, or, alot of the black base has jumped that sinking ship, and they're trying to get them back.
24 posted on 11/08/2002 4:56:15 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: xm177e2
Yeah. Bob Novak wrote about Page's interest and the DNC saying sorry Al. You're also right about McCall--he was losing. Because of the spirit of diviseness that the Rats feast on though, many will think race, which is a good thing as W and the GOP reach out....
25 posted on 11/08/2002 4:57:49 PM PST by eureka!
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To: xm177e2
See also this thread: Pelosi to Ford: 'The Race is Over'

She's a nasty, abusive, abrasive, unpleasant person. She might have made a good Minority Whip [insert whip-cracking noise here], but she will be a terrible leader. Conservative Democrats will flee from her in droves.

Ford has the courage to stand up to the Democratic Party Leadership--the same people who got Democrats into this mess. He's not part of the established order, he's young, energetic, and willing to take on the idiots at the top. Democrats would be foolish not to make him their most important Representative. He's everything the Democratic Party needs right now.

26 posted on 11/08/2002 5:15:23 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: fhayek
After a little research, I believe it would be Ted Stevens of Alaska.
27 posted on 11/08/2002 5:15:26 PM PST by fhayek
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To: RJayneJ
Shameless self-promoting ping... Can I nominate my own work for Essay of the Week?
28 posted on 11/08/2002 6:41:13 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: xm177e2
This election was fascinating for a variety of reasons. I agree with one of your points bigtime: the democrats were driven by an irrational hatred of Bush. For quite some time, the left in the US has used the crutch of political correctness to bully and smear, as opposed to actually arguing their positions in a reasoned manner. One only have to look back to the Bork and Thomas hearings...or visit any college campus, to see the truth in this.

That strategy has worked fairly well for them in the past, but it breaks down when they run into an opponent against whom the smears don't stick. The target has to be believable as a badguy. It worked against Gingrich and Bork, but the public just doesn't buy the idea that a guy like Bush is Darth Vader.

Thus, left without the tried-and-true PC smear tactic, they were left without anything to say. They couldn't put forth any rational arguments for themselves.

Aside from this, the Democrats made three huge mistakes that lost them this election in a tactical sense:

1) The crap they puled in NJ: Switching candidates in NJ showed not only a contempt for the law (and that the sleaze of the Clintonized Rat party extended even to the Supreme Court of NJ), but also violated the electorate's sense of "fair play". Its just not right to bring in a fresh fighter in the middle of the 15th round. While they still won in NJ, it brought back images of the "everything is relative" Clintonized image of their party.

2) Bonior & CO's trip to Baghdad: While the boomer lefties may not give any weight to such quaint notions as national solidarity and patriotism, middle america fumed when a group of Dem party leaders turned up in Baghdad, met with Saddam's cabinet, and badmouthed our President on TV. It smacked of Hanoi Jane posing on the antiaircraft gun.

3) The memorial service turned Nuremburg Rally: It was supposed to be a heartfelt memorial for a tragic death, and the Clintonized Dem party turned it into a partisan mudslinging festival. They bused in a union mob, booed Republican mourners, and behaved in a generally disgraceful manner. Once again, while such quaint notions as respect for the dead and propriety at funerals may not mean much to the boomer lefties, it means a lot to middle america.

I once heard a quip that "consevatives go to bed at night fearing that the people won't understand them, and liberals go to bed at night fearing that the people will understand them"

All three of these episodes represent the libs letting their mask slip. The people saw them for what they are....and they lost bigtime.

29 posted on 11/08/2002 7:17:03 PM PST by quebecois
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To: xm177e2
You sure can. Thanks for the heads up! };^D)
30 posted on 11/08/2002 8:16:02 PM PST by RJayneJ
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To: randita
The parties are 50/50 when the rats lie well enough to fool 15% of the people.
31 posted on 11/08/2002 8:21:13 PM PST by Leto
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To: xm177e2
On a critical note, the only thing I would change is the word "stupid" in "taking such a stupid position" to "unbecoming" or "wrong-headed" because all the words flow, to my mind at least, very smoothly up to that point.

The funniest thing about this whole thing is how Gephardt is the fall guy in all this! I was watching Greta last night and Susan Estrich was on, laughing at the idea that el loco poco Dicko still had presidential aspirations, which is pretty funny. Then she made an excuse for McAuliffe, saying "well, he's only a money guy." Daschel's name never came up, at least to the best of my recollection, and he was Dick's soulmate!

This reminds me of how Vince Foster was to blame for all the Clinton scandels, shortly after he was suicided.

I don't really feel sorry for Gephardt, but for whatever reason, he did do the right thing in voting with the President on Iraq. I guess that's the real problem here, he did the right thing.

32 posted on 11/08/2002 8:26:49 PM PST by Duke Nukum
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To: quebecois
"All three of these episodes represent the libs letting their mask slip. "

This single sentence is probably the most direct and 'pithy' statement I've read in any editorial or FR comments. If libs were smart, they could figure out just why we of the VRWC with our decoder rings are cheering for "Scocialist Barbie" to be the "Whine-ority Leader". With her at the helm, their mask will be off. They're making our job to expose the left a no-brainer. We just have to sit back and let her talk. There are many potential leaders I personally would fear of being a FAR better face of the 'loyal opposition'.

Nam Vet

33 posted on 11/08/2002 8:30:51 PM PST by Nam Vet
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To: xm177e2
Well, I tried to be civil over at DU but I was immediately marked for death. Some of them got extremely upset when I called Pelosi a "socialist" (she's a member of the Democratic Socialists of America, which is an openly and proudly socialist group). Well, most of them were nice.

Hey, come visit us some time, and be polite and whatnot.

And to the people at FR who like to disrupt them: quit it already. Some things are funny once, and then not funny twice.

34 posted on 11/08/2002 11:31:17 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: Nam Vet
I thought Martin Frost was the most dangerous Democrat in America for a moment there... but apparently so did Pelosi. Squished like a bug.
35 posted on 11/08/2002 11:32:20 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: xm177e2
Yes, both Frost and what's his name from Tennessee. Either one of them could thwart us FAR better than Pelosi.

Nam Vet

36 posted on 11/08/2002 11:42:42 PM PST by Nam Vet
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To: xm177e2
Well, I see you've been tombstoned on DU already. Dunno how long I'll have here, but, out of respect for your honesty, I used the same username here as I do there also.

So, I'm an evilDUer (I can say that, you can't )

Your thread at DU was titled "Don't be a Nancy-Boy (or "Why is the Democratic Party trying to commit Suicide?")" and I thought I might try to answer that for you, along with a couple of points in your post.

A lot of us have decided after Tuesday (and some of us, BEFORE Tuesday) that trying to be imitation Republicans hasn't worked all that well (translation: the result sucked big time). So, there are those of us who think, ok, fine, let's give the American people a REAL choice. Yes, Pelosi is liberal AND progressive, and although I didn't know about the Democratic Socialist Party membership, I wouldn't be suprised if she is.

She's also ... ahem... agressive about it. Some of us *like* that. You may think progressives are wrong - but how often lately, have you seen a progressive laying out his or her policy ideas clearly and unapologetically? Answer? You haven't. You mentioned the mushy center... a lot of us don't like the mush. We have beliefs about the role of government in a civil society - and yes, we think it should be bigger than you think it should be. But there is no debate of those philosphies when people just say "me too, only better and more" to the pablum that passes for "centrist" policy.

So, let's have a REAL debate, and see what the American people think. They might disagree. Then again, they might agree. We won't know till we try, right?

(Note, I should add that most of us DON'T think that it's "suicide," as you put it. We think that, given a REAL, unambiguous choice, the American people WILL choose our vision over yours. We could be wrong, but I, for one, would rather find out than cower in the shadows, deathly afraid somebody might discover we have *oh horrors!* liberal ideas. And truly, given the Republican control of all three branches of the government, what have we got to lose?)

37 posted on 11/09/2002 12:16:30 AM PST by bain_sidhe
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To: xm177e2
The Pelosi is a wonderful exemplar for the Democratic Party. I hope the Dems spare no expense in "getting her message out."
38 posted on 11/09/2002 12:25:15 AM PST by 185JHP
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To: bain_sidhe
I should add that most of us DON'T think that it's "suicide," as you put it

I know that!

But I was wondering why you believed this was such a great idea. For some absolutely unfathomable reason (the PC were embarrassed to be linked to socialists) the DSA took the link to the Progressive Caucus off of it's web site.

The link I just gave you is broken, but... here is the Google cache. Oh yeah, I love Google. Just try a search on your own for Pelosi Progressive Caucus or Pelosi Democratic Socialists America and you can find the link yourself on Google. And here is more proof of the link between DSA and the Progressive Caucus.

I must say, aside from the leadership at DU, most of you have been exceedingly polite when I stepped into your territory.

39 posted on 11/09/2002 12:26:09 AM PST by xm177e2
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To: bain_sidhe
ACK! There's no editing of posts after you post them? Ok I just wanted to note that the crack about you not being able to call me an evilDUer was *supposed* to be followed by a grin, but the angle brackets must have "disappeared" it.
40 posted on 11/09/2002 12:26:14 AM PST by bain_sidhe
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