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Peggy Noonen: "Them" [one group for whom liberals have no tolerance at all]
Wall Street Journal ^ | Nov 15, 2002 | Peggy Noonen

Posted on 11/15/2002 1:46:24 AM PST by The Raven

Edited on 04/23/2004 12:05:02 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

There's a lot to think about this week--the rise of Nancy Pelosi, the meaning of the Republican triumph--but my thoughts keep tugging toward a group of people who are abused, ostracized and facing a cold winter. It's not right what we do to them, and we should pay attention.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: liberals; michaeldobbs; pufflist; smoking; smokinggoonette
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To: MEGoody
You are right on. All most smokers really want is to not have to stand outside in raging winter winds or pouring rains. It would be nice if there was a room for us to go to.

We used to have smoking lounges at work. That wasn't good enough. Now they don't even want us CLOSE to work!


121 posted on 11/15/2002 8:37:14 AM PST by SheLion
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To: The Raven
I can think of another group liberals have even less tolerance for: unborn babies.
122 posted on 11/15/2002 8:39:42 AM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: SheLion
Next it will be the ugly people... too hard on the eyes.

They will have to put a bag on their heads. This crap has to stop!

123 posted on 11/15/2002 8:41:04 AM PST by johnny7
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To: Skywalk
............but in a FREE SOCIETY people are also allowed to request their employers set up a tolerable work environment.

Exactly and that is the way it should be and all that the vast majority of smokers are asking for. It's the insistance of the anti-smokers that the government has to take care of it instead of speaking to their employers or the owners of their favorite establishments that drive us crazy.

124 posted on 11/15/2002 8:41:12 AM PST by Gabz
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To: johnny7
This crap has to stop!

We are working VERY hard to get the word out, johnny. Believe me! The discrimination against smokers today has gotten way out of hand. Talk about being pushed to the back of the BUS! We aren't even ALLOWED on the bus!

125 posted on 11/15/2002 8:44:41 AM PST by SheLion
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To: The Raven
There is only one reason this whole anti-smoking crusade got started. MONEY.

The tobacco manufacturers were one of (if not THE) biggest contributors to Republican campaigns.
126 posted on 11/15/2002 8:51:06 AM PST by Mr. K
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To: The Raven
Has anyone else noticed that most Smoke Nazis are the same people who favor legalizing pot?

By the way, the very fact that the name "Smoke Nazis" has come into common use shows what people really feel about this dispicable crew.

SO9

127 posted on 11/15/2002 8:53:41 AM PST by Servant of the Nine
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To: KC_for_Freedom
As far as smoking at work. I believe the set aside ares are working, I would build some areas that are warmer, more comfortable, and protected from the weather so that these valuable employees don't catch health problems and become a burden on the companies health program.

They used to work here in Delaware - but starting November 27 they will no longer.

Front page story this morning was how 10 applications for waivers to the total smoking ban have been denied. this includes the state nursing home - which has a seperate building just for their smoking patients and personel and another hospital with a similar "hut." According to the state they are "indoor public places" and therefore smoking is prohibited. Same with several restaurants that built seperately ventilated fully enclosed rooms that seperated smoking and non-smoking - even to the extent they had seperate entrances.

it has gone WAY too far.

128 posted on 11/15/2002 8:55:11 AM PST by Gabz
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To: Gabz
Yes it has.
129 posted on 11/15/2002 9:05:42 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom
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To: Gabz
Front page story this morning was how 10 applications for waivers to the total smoking ban have been denied.

That is so sad, Gabz. Really makes me wonder why they just don't ban the damn stuff. Can't smoke anywhere. Why bother selling it. Yea right. We all know the reason for not banning it, right?


130 posted on 11/15/2002 9:10:04 AM PST by SheLion
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To: That Subliminal Kid
Smokers are filthy beasts who deserve to be ostracized and cast out.

Stick a sock in it.

131 posted on 11/15/2002 9:16:34 AM PST by Gabz
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To: laredo44; cubreporter
In the private milleu, there are no "rights" per se. A business can impose pretty much any draconian rules it wants so long as those rules do not violate laws (such as working hours, safety and health, etc.) and they are imposed on all employees equally. I have heard of some companies that in fact don't allow employees to smoke, even when not on company time and/or property. Remember: the Constitution of the US only recognizes 2 entities: Government and Individuals. Businesses are not in play when talking about "rights." Many Americans are confused about this and are very quick to talk about "their rights!" What they mean is "it isn't fair." Well, the Constitution is silent on making life fair. If you don't like the rules, don't work for the company.
132 posted on 11/15/2002 9:25:40 AM PST by freedumb2003
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To: The Raven
bump to the high heavens
133 posted on 11/15/2002 9:33:14 AM PST by lodwick
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To: The Raven
In bars, the last public place you can go to be a dropout, a nonconformist, refusenik, a time waster, a bohemian, a hider from reality, a bum, a rebel, a bore, a heathen. The last public place in which you can really wallow in your own and others' human messiness. The last place where you can still take part in that great American tradition, leaving the teeming marching soldiers of capitalism outside to go inside, quit the race, retreat and have a drink and fire up a Marlboro and . . . think, fantasize, daydream, listen to Steely Dan or Sinatra, revel in your loser-tude, play the Drunken Misery Scene in the movie of your life…

I love bars.

And, though I haven’t smoked since seventh grade, I love smokey bars.

134 posted on 11/15/2002 9:38:12 AM PST by dead
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To: johnny7
"They will have to put a bag on their heads."

Or a trash can:


135 posted on 11/15/2002 9:39:16 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: SheLion
We used to have smoking lounges at work. That wasn't good enough. Now they don't even want us CLOSE to work!

A front page article in this morning's newspaper was about how all applications for waiver's to the upcoming total statewide smoking ban were rejected.

Two of these requests came from long-term care facilities that had previously built what they termed "smoking huts" for their patients and personnel. Seperate buildings - just for smokers - the waivers were denied - and one of these is a state owned facility.

136 posted on 11/15/2002 9:42:30 AM PST by Gabz
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To: SheLion
Thank you - I was looking for my link to that but the page was not available.

The guy that created that bumper sticker and the one about the governor is absolutely irrate at the moment - Stan Glantz stated in a guest opinion in the newspaper yesterday that he is a former tobacco lobbyist. He informed me his only connection to the tobacco industy is he is a smoker.

137 posted on 11/15/2002 9:47:51 AM PST by Gabz
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To: SheLion
Nothing original here from the antis. The poor things all have allergies and relatives who died painful deaths.

Even a woman making the fart analogy. What a deep stinker thinker.

Nobody knows the trouble I'se seen...

138 posted on 11/15/2002 9:48:03 AM PST by metesky
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To: Skywalk
I, too, as a non-smoker, am very sensitive to second-hand smoke, to the point where it makes me dizzy and physically nauseated (even if I am outside on a sidewalk with a smoker walking in front of me -- although I think they have the right to smoke there -- I always end up quickly passing them and going on my way). I don't believe in abusive taxes on cigarettes, and while I don't care if people choose to kill themselves and indeed have the right to do so, it's not fair for me to be physically sickened by having second-hand smoke inflicted on me. I also resent the smell of it on clothes,furniture, etc., and is one reason I would never go to "happy hours" with friends after work when I was younger.

I wish more smokers would realize that many of us non-smokers literally become physically sick around their smoke -- it is NOT an issue of us being judgmental, prissy, or dictatorial. I am a defender of personal freedoms to the nth degree, but that doesn't mean I should have to put up with upset stomachs, dizziness, headaches, etc. from nearby smokers. It is an issue of courtesy.

One of the happiest days of my life was when they banned smoking on the commuter trains to NYC, in Penn Station, and in NYC office buildings (in the mid-'80s). And, ironically, it was ALWAYS the smoking cars on the commuter trains which would forever be barely occupied, while 80% of the rest of us riders were crammed shoulder-to-shoulder in the non-smoking cars of the trains, packed like sardines for the entire commuter ride to the City. I also used to get angry waiting for up to an hour for a restaurant table in non-smoking, while half of the entire dining room, reserved for smokers, would be barely occupied.

I also think you were justified in asking your father to smoke outside, and it was gracious of him to accommodate you. My mother used to smoke three packs a day when I was little, and I used to beg her to quit. I also couldn't stand the smell of it, even as a child. She finally did stop, but only after I went to college.

139 posted on 11/15/2002 9:49:02 AM PST by hot august night
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To: cinFLA
At least we don't have to listen to him whine anymore.
140 posted on 11/15/2002 9:49:33 AM PST by metesky
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