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Freedom of Religion (Islam Counts)
Vanity | 11/17/02 | Persuasion

Posted on 11/17/2002 12:46:37 AM PST by Persuasion

Lately I've been seeing a lot of anti-muslim posts on Free Republic. I think many of you who have posted ought to be ashamed and I think it ought to stop.

The total hatred and prejudice flowing out of you is overwhelming. You have reason to hate your attackers. You have reason to go to war with them. You have reason to seek justice. But you do not have any reason to act like biggoted Clymers toward people who have had nothing to do with those attacks. And there are many, many muslims in America that fit that billing. The president has recognized them. I support him whole-heartedly, as I do in the war effort. And those who are reasonable, do too.

What do you stand for? The people's rights or getting your own way?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: islam; prejudice; religion; religionofpeace
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To: skull stomper
Sorry. That was my own comment. Messed up on my closing tag.

Jesus did not come to destroy the law.

I have no problem protecting innocents. I said, islamists who support the war against us in any way, active or by omission, should be punished, expelled, jailed, or killed, if appropriate.

Here we're on the same page.

I'm just saying, that it is ABSURD, to assume the "innocence" of people who are members of a "religion", which is at war with everyone on earth who is not a member of that religion.

And I am saying that it is ABSURD to advocate killing anyone who has done nothing to suggest he might harm another human being. Perhaps if you knew any peaceful muslim personally this concept would be easier for you to understand.

When I was eighteen, I had a fifteen-year-old friend from Israel and a nineteen-year-old friend from Iran. I'm a christian, the Israeli was a jew, the Iranian a muslim. The three of us got along very well, though we disagreed on many points.

My point? I know that some muslims can be decent fellows. I know that they can and do treat jews and christians well.

You cannot assume a man is guilty just because he is a muslim.

141 posted on 11/20/2002 6:22:47 PM PST by Persuasion
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To: GeekDejure
All muslims follow every letter of the Koran?
In times of great fear it is difficult to maintain our balance. We grasp at absolutes, paint all people with the same brush. We are in danger of falling into the same trap these insane extermists are lost in.
142 posted on 11/20/2002 6:53:40 PM PST by kanawa
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To: Persuasion
First of all, the term "American Muslim" should not exist. Their religious texts go against everything America stands for.

I don't think that we should slaughter Muslims wholesale, or round all of them in the US into camps. That would make us no better than the Nazis in Germany.

However, we should not allow any more Muslim immigrants into this country. We should not allow Muslim prayer in schools or public places (like the workplace). They have mosques for that. Islam is not a religion of peace, and it should not be encouraged to flower here. Certainly we cannot tell the Muslims that are already in the US to stop practicing Islam, but we should no longer condone the practice of Islam.

Islam condones and encourages murder, pedophilia, slavery, and hatred. Should we be tolerant of such a thing? It is only called a religion because calling it such gives it protection. Calling it a religion allows its followers to spread its hateful doctrine without any interference. Calling it a religion allows its followers to kill and enslave without worrying about repercussions.

It is not a religion. It is a cult.
143 posted on 11/20/2002 7:44:17 PM PST by Morrigan
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To: kanawa
All muslims follow every letter of the Koran?

Of course, they don't all follow every letter of the Koran . . . but the Muzzle-em imams are loudly and enthusiastically proclaiming it in their mosques !!! That is to say, KILL the Jews . . . KILL the Christians . . . KILL the Americans -- KILL the Infidels -- KILL -- KILL -- KILL them ALL in the name of Allah !!!

So tell me, kanawa . . . HOW MANY imams are loudly and enthusiastically proclaiming; LOVE the Jews -- BE FRIENDS with the Christians -- DO NOT HARM the Americans -- BE KIND to the Infidels -- for this is what Allah demands according to the HOLY KORAN ?!?!?!

Can y'name just ONE such Peace Preaching imam ???


144 posted on 11/20/2002 9:13:23 PM PST by GeekDejure
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To: Morrigan
Define Religion.

Define Cult.
145 posted on 11/20/2002 11:38:14 PM PST by Persuasion
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To: GeekDejure
Here are some exerpts for you from a story from the Department of State:

Imam, Scholar Seeks to Clarify Image of America for Muslims Abroad

-- While many of the world's 1,200 million Muslims are being subjected to a steady barrage of distortions about America by Afghanistan's Taliban regime, Imam Yahaya Hendi of Georgetown University says Muslims should know the American people for what they are: "very warm and loving" and respectful of all religions.

Hendi, a Palestine-born Islamic scholar who has been the chaplain of the roughly 350 Muslim students at Washington's Georgetown University for the past three years, said: "From my experience living here, the American people are open-minded and very eager to talk to people not of their own cultures. This is compared to what I know about other nations -- honestly."

The Muslim cleric said: "I feel not only proud to be an American -- to carry an American passport and travel worldwide -- I feel that I can be myself, a fully practicing Muslim, particularly in America. This means I wake up in the morning without fear and come home at the end of the day without fear."

While the Taliban regime was busy oppressing a large segment of its own society -- its women -- Hendi said, America's six million Muslims were free to practice their faith without fear and unhindered by government. "It is the freedom of religion and other protections guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution that is what I have been enjoying, and I don't want to lose that. I urge people overseas to not hate and carry arms against America."

Referring to his "interfaith" work following the attacks, Hendi said, "I have not in my life [before] seen communities from different religious backgrounds coming together sincerely, joining hands, and praying with one another, for the healing of the nation and for peace in the world.

"You feel it, you see it, it's there. I have never before seen thousands of Christian churches calling on Muslims to go in and teach about Islam like I've seen in the last month. I have not seen Muslims inviting Christians and Jews to go into the Islamic centers to teach about who they are, like I've just seen."

146 posted on 11/20/2002 11:50:44 PM PST by Persuasion
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To: Persuasion
All I can say is that it seems that where there are muslims, there is violence. Do you need a sledge hammer to fall on your head to recognise this? Of course, not all Muslims are violent. That's the "beauty" of it.

When Christians or Jews come around to their religious roots, they repent from their evil ways. When Muslims read their holy book, they come to realise that they should be kill the kafir (infadels), as their holy testament and their prophet (May piss be upon him), tells them to.

We should certainly hang together, or we shall certainly hang apart.

The imporant part is not to be afraid of them. They will fold up if you have the time and patience to call them out on their outrageous lies.

147 posted on 11/20/2002 11:53:49 PM PST by Concentrate
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To: speechcode
But these animals eagerly kill women and children -- something even wild mammals rarely do.

Wild animals don't have ideologies.

148 posted on 11/21/2002 12:00:02 AM PST by Concentrate
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To: TLBSHOW
nov 19th 2002 the cd arrives, chilling isn't it?

Yes, but, sweet as he was, George was always a bit naive, wouldn't you say? I loved his music, but he did join the Hare Krishas, a religious cult, which clearly indicates a poor mind. As evidenced by his self-induced untimely departure.

149 posted on 11/21/2002 12:06:51 AM PST by Concentrate
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To: Persuasion
"But you do not have any reason to act like biggoted Clymers toward people who have had nothing to do with those attacks."

Please tread a little lighter on this, will you? We saw the rejoicing in the moslem world over 9/11 and noticed how quiet the indigenous moslems were about it.

Islam was declared religion-non-grata in 1892 in America. It has been ruled that it is not to be accorded First Ammendment protection.

I know the president has a fine line to tread, due to his political endeavors, but as far as the law of the land goes, we should not be allowing any mosques in the USA at all.

151 posted on 11/21/2002 12:15:39 AM PST by nightdriver
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To: Concentrate
It seems that where there are people, there is violence.
152 posted on 11/21/2002 2:04:18 AM PST by Persuasion
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To: Persuasion
As soon as you stop asking me to stop we can proceed.
153 posted on 11/21/2002 3:25:14 AM PST by RWG
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To: RWG
We can proceed as soon as you stop asking me to stop asking you to stop.
154 posted on 11/21/2002 3:38:13 AM PST by Persuasion
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To: Persuasion
But you do not have any reason to act like biggoted Clymers toward people who have had nothing to do with those attacks. And there are many, many muslims in America that fit that billing. The president has recognized them. I support him whole-heartedly, as I do in the war effort. And those who are reasonable, do too.

I will accept your criticism of me and I will accept your defense of Muslims when I begin to see Muslims themselves turning in the terrorists in their communities. Until that happens, I can only repeat the words of the president whom you support whole-heartedly: “You’re either with us, or you’re with the terrorists.”

What do you stand for?

“Truth, Justice, and the American Way…” Every kid who grew up in the ‘50s and ‘60s knows that!

155 posted on 11/21/2002 3:50:48 AM PST by bimbo
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To: Persuasion
"No. I am not opposed to freedom of speech. I oppose irrationality. I oppose the murder of innocent civilians. I oppose hateful and irrational conservatives who give the sensible sort a bad name. That is what I oppose. That is the sort that builds the liberal voter base."

Are you referring to the "innocent civilians" that were dancing in the streets following the September 11th attacks? Or are you talking about the "innocent civilians" that support terrorism through donations to Muslim "charities?" Are talking about the "innocent civilians" that have vowed to wage a jihad against American citizens? The fact is these "innocent civilians" aren't so innocent.

You are either ignoring the actions of these "innocent civilians," or you are one ignorant and uninformed individual!

156 posted on 11/21/2002 5:38:50 AM PST by Destructor
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To: Persuasion
Thanks for your opinion. It's worthless.

If muslims were really peacefull, this crap wouldn't be happening. The "good" muslims have put a stop to long ago. They didn't. They have quietly sanctioned it and supported it everywhere they go--in country after after country. They have declared war on the rest of the world, and war is what they will get. Side with them if you choose, but be prepared to reap their reward.

158 posted on 11/21/2002 5:50:24 AM PST by Lion's Cub
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To: Destructor
And what about those who did not dance in the streets?
What about those who grieved the deaths?
What about those? You are intentionally ignoring
them and they are many.
159 posted on 11/21/2002 10:38:45 AM PST by Persuasion
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To: Persuasion
"And what about those who did not dance in the streets? What about those who grieved the deaths? What about those? You are intentionally ignoring them and they are many."

No they're not. They are few and far between! Muslims are violent, hateful, intolerant people. Very few are actually peaceful.

160 posted on 11/21/2002 11:47:57 AM PST by Destructor
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