Posted on 11/17/2002 12:46:37 AM PST by Persuasion
Lately I've been seeing a lot of anti-muslim posts on Free Republic. I think many of you who have posted ought to be ashamed and I think it ought to stop.
The total hatred and prejudice flowing out of you is overwhelming. You have reason to hate your attackers. You have reason to go to war with them. You have reason to seek justice. But you do not have any reason to act like biggoted Clymers toward people who have had nothing to do with those attacks. And there are many, many muslims in America that fit that billing. The president has recognized them. I support him whole-heartedly, as I do in the war effort. And those who are reasonable, do too.
What do you stand for? The people's rights or getting your own way?
When Lucifer became Satan and stated his 5 "I wills", he characteristically advances a counterfeit to God. It might be noted that just as any 'religion' will seek to advance a counterfeit plan to His plan or a system of philospohical positions tied to possibly the spiritual domain to counterfeit God's plan. Accordingly any such counterfeit system might be considered 'satanic' or adversarial to His. It is probably more meaningful to describe such religions as 'evil' as they are devises to promote a system counterfeit to God's plan and contrary to His will.
Perhaps a threat to promote evil here at home which poses a closer risk, is any counterfeit system based upon our will placed above that of God. Most notably, if one takes the position that the symptoms observed in militant Islamic belief give justification to eliminate Muslims and instead of remaining faithful to God on His terms, we establish policies to oppose 'fundamentalism' for the sake of 'feel-good' moderation, then we fall into the evil trap of 'do-gooder-ism'.
Do-gooders are in many ways just as evil as vengeful militant Muslims when they seek to promote their will over God's will.
For example, when the elder Bush agreed to Saudi demands to disallow the distribution of Bibles amongst US fighting forces during coalition building of Gulf War I, a very good case might be made for the evil inherant in the US foreign and military policies. Rather than a case of good fighting evil, we simply become another evil being allowed to destroy another evil in God's plan.
While we have the opportunity to decide our actions, I strongly encourage study of God's Word, so that when awkward situations arise, one already has doctrinally based viewpoints to remain in His will. God Bless.
Joe 6-pack's Questions for Liberals
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Joe 6-Pack's Homeland Defense Act
Allow me to introduce, "Joe 6-Pack's Brief History of Islam."
Over the last 14 centuries, many singular and significant events have forged the face of modern islam. Take for instance the time the paid-for-profit mohammed (known to his co-conspirators as, "Ole mo") was confronted while molesting his first child. The child's father observed mohammed (piss be upon him), kneeling on top of his child. The father asked, "What the #$%& do you think you're doing?" Surprised at the father's sudden arrival, the pervert mohammed looked up suddenly, the child's undergarments clinging to his hair. (To this day, followers of mohammed wear diapers on their heads!) Having disturbed the profit's prayerful and blessed acts, the father was executed and the die for modern islam was cast. While the founding of the religion of piece and the half moon were important, they pale in comparison to subsequent events which constitute:
Joe 6-Pack's Brief History of Islam
Believe it or not, all of the following events ARE true!!
1969 - Joe 6-Pack is born.
1971 - Cat Stevens releases, "Teaser and the Firecat," including the hit song, "Peace Train."
1977 - Cat Stevens converts to islam, and adopts the name, "Yusuf Islam."
1987 - The Administration of Ronald Wilson Reagan grants Joe 6-Pack a four-year Army ROTC Scholarship.
1987 - 10,000 Maniacs releases, "In My Tribe," featuring a cover of Stevens' (or is it islam's?), "Peace Train." 1988 - Joe 6-Pack, college student, Army ROTC cadet, purchases a CD-player and a first run edition of, "In My Tribe."
1989 - Ayatollah Khomenei places a price on the head of Indian Author, Salman Rushdie, for telling the truth about islam. 1989 - The death threat against Rushdie becomes the subject of heated debate by pantywaist journalists in the U.S. who can't decide if it's more important to celebrate diversity or protect the freedom of speech. In the wake of such publicity, Stevens/islam, himself having been, substantially, "propheted," by artistic freedoms, endorses the hit on Rushdie. 1989 - 10,000 Maniacs pulls Stevens/islam's "Peace Train," from subsequent editions of, "In My Tribe." Joe 6-Pack is in possession of a collector's item. The following interview article by John Soder appears in SCENE:
1989 - "It was kind of a mistake," admits 10,000 Maniacs bassist Steven Gustafson when asked about the cover of Cat Stevens' Peace Train that appears on his band's breakthrough 1987 album, In My Tribe. "We were strongly urged by the higher-ups within our record label's brain trust to give the song a try for the sake of album sales. We nearly flipped a coin to decide whether or not to do it. As it turned out, the song did help radio programmers realize that we weren't a bunch of lunatics."
Despite their misleading moniker, the Maniacs' sanity is no longer in question. Cat Stevens is another story. Late last year, Stevens publicly supported the late Ayatollah Khomeini's call for the head of Satanic Verses author Salman Rushdie.
"Stevens is certainly entitled to be a fanatic if he wants to be," says Gustafson. "But now I think he must've been kidding when he wrote that song."
1992 - Joe 6-Pack receives his Army Commission and is stationed at Ft. Riley, KS.
August 8, 1993 - Near the Medina marketplace, in Mogadishu, Somalia, at just before 9:00 a.m., a command-detonated mine, containing approximately 50 pounds of explosives, is detonated under a military police patrol. A second trail vehicle, with five MP, assists the mortally wounded driver and secure the scene. Killed in the explosion are the driver and three other MP's:
SPC Mark Gutting, age 25, from Grand Rapids, Michigan
SPC Keith Pearson, age 25, from Tavares, Florida
SGT Christopher Hilgert, age 27, from Danville, Indiana,
all members of the 977th MP Company, Fort Riley, Kansas SSG Ronald Richerson, age 24, from Portage, Indiana, a member of the 300th MP Company, Fort Leonard Wood, Missouri.
SSG Richerson (promoted posthumously) was due to rotate back to the states in a matter of days. The 977th from Ft. Riley was relieving Richerson's unit, and Richerson was introducing the Ft. Riley soldiers to the AO when they were welcomed to the country by practitioners of the religion of pieces.
1995 - Joe 6-Pack is reassigned from Ft. Riley, KS to Ft. McClellan, AL. On the day of his scheduled pack out, two mid-east bastards arrive at residence of Joe 6-Pack and proceed to pack his baggage and household goods in compliance with their Army Transportation contract. Joe 6-Pack offers the movers, "a beer or anything else." The movers reply that they dare not consume alcohol...they are moslems. Packing and loading have been completed and the packers (pakis? pakirs?) remain for quite some time as a conversation regarding islam ensues. The pakirs boast about the rigors of their religious tradition and appear to brag (in retrospect) all too specifically about the fact that thieves, in islamic cultures, are punished by having a hand chopped off.
1995 - Joe 6-Pack arrives at his new duty station, Ft. McClellan, AL, and arranges for delivery of baggage and household goods. Upon receipt of his shipment, Joe 6-Pack conducts an inventory where it is observed that, in an indexed collection of over 150 CDs, two are missing. Both are out of print and irreplaceable. The disks include the original run of, "In My Tribe," (with the Peace Train Cover) and Roger Waters', "Pros and Cons of Hitchiking," (The cover, without the, "black-box,") which, ironically, featured a song titled, "Arabs With Knives.
2001 - Joe 6-Pack, now a civilian in Louisiana, learns the Pentagon has been struck by a commercial jetliner commandeered by, "Arabs with Knives." Joe 6-Pack's brother is assigned to the Pentagon, and Joe 6-Pack endures almost 16 hours of mind-numbing terror while he tries to contact his brother and/or his sister-in-law, and/or any other person who might kindly advise if his brother is alive, injured, dead or missing. Ultimately, good news is received.
2002 - Joe 6-Pack's nephew, 8-year-old, home-schooled son of Joe 6-Pack's brother of Pentagon fame, and resident of Fairfax County, VA trains throughout the spring and summer months for his first junior triathalon...an event planned to foster American values of healthy competition, sportsmanship, recognition of excellence and physical fitness. Said juniot triathalon is cancelled because a 41-year-old NOI freak and his jamaican butt-boy have declared open season on all things American. Fortunately, they are even too damn stupid to outwit Cheif Moose.
In conclusion, it is the opinon of Joe 6-Pack that the History of islam has been entirely too long.
Judeo-Christian acknowledgment of the Messiah understood God's providencial relationship with the Jews and the Gentile times via Christ. Those who reject God are simply unregenerate.
Present luke-warm definitions of religion which allow any form of spiritism, or belief can also be taken to an extreme. One could respect a 'religion' based entirely upon criminality. Such a freedom is self-contradictory.
The main reason we colloquially accept beliefs other than Judeo-Christianity, IMHO, is that most people simply don't study Scripture and associate anything dealing with the spiritual domain or belief of supernatural beings as qualification of 'religion'.
By no means did the founding fathers interpret the Islamic, "Convert or be killed" policy as a comparable 'religion'.
Bush is a skillful politician.
He could have just as easily said, "Our enemies do not include square circles," or, "Our enemies do not include all the tall people that are short."
Square circles, short tall people, and IMHO, peaceful moslems, do not exist, and so logically, they are not our enemies....
That was the last administration from Arkansas that did all the windmill tilting, finding enemies where there were none. IMHO there are some moslems that are more timid than others, particularly those that have been harshly subjugated and repressed by their own, but I believe that violence is engendered by the tenets of the religion...And I don't want to hear this B.S. about, "Islam literally translates to, "submission," or surrender." I would love to log onto FR, or watch the news ONE night, One frigging single night, and not hear of a single act of violence perpetrated in the cause of Islam. I'm not saying that there are not (nominally) Christian or Jewish, Or Sikh, etc criminals and terrorists...Just that they know how to take a break once in a while, and in most cases, their acts are NOT perpetrated for religious reasons. You could easily throw the IRA in my face, but I would still argue that they have conducted Political acts in the name of religion. Islamic funda-"mentals" conduct religious acts in the names of politics...and that's the, "fundamental" difference.
"I can support a war against terrorists but not condone killing off muslims who've got nothing to do with the terror. Clear?"
In humility, and for argument's sake, I will concede to and agree with that entire statement. Having become a recent advocate and supporter of your world-view, my first bit of advice is that each and every day, the acts of our brother-moslems are making it increasingly difficult to convince the rest of the world that there is such a thing as a, "muslims who've got nothing to with the terror." Try selling that perspective to Israel. Now consider that what Israel has generally accepted with great restraint for decades has been visited upon skyscrapers in NYC, tourism hubs in Bali, and damn near the tubes in London...
"Now consider that what Israel has generally accepted with great restraint for decades has been visited upon skyscrapers in NYC, tourism hubs in Bali, and damn near the tubes in London..."
...And I mustn't forget, theater-goers in Moscow, and Filipino missionaries.
radical muslim warriors ought be made aware that their choices of targets are really making them look like a bunch of pu$$ies. Let's see...I'm a he-man moslem...let me prove as much by attacking:
a) Any western airline stewardess.
b) A Moscow opera-goer.
c) An Israeli junior school.
d) A western Missionarry in the Phillipines.
e) Any woman that showed a bit of ankle.
If the FBI is building a proper victim profile database, it's likely to indicate the next targets will be our hairdressers, kindergartens and flute recitals. The prophet is proud, I'm sure... the profit would be honored, I'm sure.
I was so impressed I checked out your, "as of," date, figuring you'd been a here while, and wondering why I'd not seen your name before. Welcome aboard. We need more well-reasoned and on-targe participation 'round here.
I tend to be bit verbiose, myself...(as if you hadn't noticed.)
Effectively communicating as much information in as few words as possible is an indicator not only of a strong intellect, but a passion for intellectual exchange. Your efforts in all these areas are quite welcome here.
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Message to all who thinks Islam is a religion of peace. Look at their track record and then explain to us how this so called religion is peaceful and harmless.
Joe 6-pack hit the nail on the head!!!
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