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CIA Releases New 'Noah's Ark' Documents
Insight Mag ^ | Nov. 13, 2002 | Timothy W. Maier

Posted on 11/21/2002 11:50:10 AM PST by Ready2go

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To: Investment Biker
You imply that I have not read it and I have. You do not know me so stop with the accusations OK? Sorry about that.

Regarding Asian and African Elephants: ...time line of evelotuion of elephants. The divergeance was much greater than the timeframe given in the Bible.As usual the so-called time line is merely speculative. It's based on circular reasoning. If elephants evolved millions of years ago, then it's reasonable to assume that the different species evolved 100,000s of years ago. That's not evidence.

Regarding nosrtils: I have not examined how many of the species have nostrils but would think that almost all mentioned have some form of consuming oxygen, maybe not a nose but "nostril" of some form. Of course, all animals (and plants) consume oxygen. If that's your definition of breath, then fish, amoeba, mushrooms, etc. breathe. But if breathing means inhaling/exhaling,then insects do not breathe. They take in oxygen by diffusion. As do all invertebrates, plants, fish and some amphibians.

I almost get from your comments and criticism of my posts that you agree that the animals listed would not fit on the ark along with provisions. You try to lessen the number by saying x or y, only your theories. I am not trying to lessen the number. (Actually the Bible says that Noah took seven of many kinds of animals, so there, I just made it bigger.) It's just that many critics of the bible make it a bigger task than it needs to be.

I asked some simple questions that I can not answer. You attack me and the question instead of trying to answer. Again, sorry about the attack. But I did not take your comments as questions. They seemed like uninformed statements that I disagree with.

62 posted on 11/22/2002 12:23:45 PM PST by far sider
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To: usurper
Lets just push Geraldo out of a helicopter and let him look.

LOL! Now that's the way to do it!

64 posted on 11/22/2002 12:29:50 PM PST by COBOL2Java
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To: ericwendham
2. Most of these so called creation "scientists" are frauds...

The following quote is from the link you just posted:

It would be wrong to infer from this list that all creationists have suspicious credentials. In fact, a good number of prominent creationists have legitimate -- even noteworthy -- doctoral degrees in scientific fields. For example, Duane Gish earned a doctorate in biochemistry from Berkeley, Steve Austin earned a doctorate in geology from Pennsylvania State University, and Kurt Wise earned his doctorate in paleontology from Harvard while studying under Stephen Jay Gould. So just because a few well-known creationists failed to earn their graduate degrees the traditional way does not mean that all or even most of them did.

And you have the nerve to say: "Most of these so called creation "scientists" are frauds who don't even have real degrees. The "degrees" that they do have are from diploma mills where anyone can buy a "degree" for around $100.

It sounds like you are the fraud and the liar, newbie.

65 posted on 11/22/2002 12:38:07 PM PST by far sider
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To: ericwendham
Well I guess you have really settled it then. "Scientists" believe evolution. "Frauds" believe creation. The Bible is a "Myth" - "it did not happen"

Ad hominum rules in the religion of evolution. You must be a priest. Does "hubris" mean anything to you? I feel sorry for you, and hope that one day you will wake up and that your eyes would be opened. It would be a terrible thing to wait until you have to bend your knee in front of our Lord Jesus Christ. Because then it is too late.

Here is a rebuttle to your's that uses the same level of intellect as yours - see if you think it is credible:

Consider the follwoing:

1. Approximately 99 percent of christians accept the theory of creation. They don't "believe" in it or have "faith" in it, they support it because of all the evidence in its favor and God's Word confirms its truth.

2. Most of these so called evolution "scientists" are frauds who don't even have real degrees. The "degrees" that they do have are from diploma mills where anyone can buy a "degree" for around $100. Prominent evolution "science" includes well known frauds like faked pictures of spotted moths, well known frauds including fake pictures of embryo's touched up to appear to support evolution and many other well known and documented lies. Evolution is not supported in legitimate scientific institutions.

3. Outside of the fundamentalist evolution community, there really is NO controversy about creation or the age of the earth and universe.

4. Evolution is a myth. It never really happened. Even Darwin refuted it before he died.

66 posted on 11/22/2002 12:41:35 PM PST by artios
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To: Motherbear
Sure, although even the most fanatical evolutionist wouldn't argue for an evolutionary species change in a span of 4,000 years.
67 posted on 11/22/2002 12:58:07 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Johnny Shear
Many people question the authenticity of the Bible. Here's something to ponder. How did the Jewish prophets know over 2000 years ago that Jerusalem would be the religious and political hot-spot it is today? Keep in mind these prophecies were written hundreds of years before Jesus Christ arrived (these texts are found in the Torah). In those days, Egypt and Greece (?) had the most far-reaching power. Allah hadn't even been thought up, yet. Interesting thought, eh?
68 posted on 11/22/2002 1:12:36 PM PST by Sweet Hour of Prayer
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To: Sweet Hour of Prayer
Interesting thought, eh?

Yeah it is. but many people would say that the strife in the middle east is a result of what the Jews "believe" to be THEIR homeland. Rather than land that has changed hands many times over the years.

While I treasure Israel as a trusted ally of America, I have a hard time defending their claim to Israel. It's too bad Israel didn't kick the crap out of the Palistinians 200 years ago...No one would be complaining today.

69 posted on 11/22/2002 1:34:51 PM PST by Johnny Shear
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To: ericwendham
This response is precisely why I have some skepticism as to the dogma of the majority of scientists:

"1. Approximately 99 percent of scientists accept the theory of evolution. They don't "believe" in it or have "faith" in it, they support it because of all the evidence in its favor."

99% of scientists can't think philosohically either. Actually they don't believe in the evolutionary system because the evidence demands it (few have bothered to consider any alternative), but they believe it because they without question accept the philosophical presupposition of naturalism of their discipline.


"2. Most of these so called creation "scientists" are frauds who don't even have real degrees. The "degrees" that they do have are from diploma mills where anyone can buy a "degree" for around $100. Prominent creation "scientist" Kent Hovind (who was recently arrested) is a good example of what I'm talking about. Institutions like ICR are not legitimate scientific institutions."

This statement is patently false. Even a casual parousal of the ICR web site shows that the contributors have legitimate degrees. Hovind might be a loser - I certainly don't know. But to dismiss ICR and other organizations based upon false stereotypes, indeed, demonstrably false stereotypes, is absurd.

Back to the original point. I remain skeptical of scientific orthodoxy. It was economic and political orthodoxy in the academia which ensures socialism has an audience and is alive and kicking. They will say things like "99% of all political scientists" favor socialism. Which is true. But socialism is also false. The experts who gave us socialism are now force feeding us evolution and everything else.....And we are told not to be skeptical?

Give me a break.

71 posted on 11/22/2002 1:40:18 PM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: far sider
Dinosaurs probably were on the ark. There ya go.

Care to explain your point of view?

I had a Christian friend (Some kind of hardcore Chrstianity where EVERYTHING in the bible was LITERALLY true) that said the dinousaurs were just big animals. Since people lived for hundreds of years back then (I guess the bible says this somewhere), so did the animals...So they grew bigger. Of course, I never asked him what happen to all these giant people...

He also had an intersting theory about the moon...He said because of the rate of dust falling on the moon suposedly being X over the years, we had prepared for about 3 foot of dust being on the surface...But when we got there, there was only inches...This was because the world really WAS only about 7000 years old.

He also explains carbon dating and other such "Proof" of a VERY old earth as being God's way of giving us stuff to think about.

Great guy...But I just can't buy all that stuff. Again, that's why they call it "Faith", I guess.

72 posted on 11/22/2002 1:41:16 PM PST by Johnny Shear
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To: BureaucratusMaximus
Big Boat BUMP!
73 posted on 11/22/2002 1:45:34 PM PST by BureaucratusMaximus
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To: mhking
I think I see it ... 'waaaaaaaaaay over there on the left. No, further left. In the back. Right next to the Golden Helmet of Mambrino.
75 posted on 11/22/2002 1:59:24 PM PST by Gumlegs
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To: tracer
No doubt you are a graduate of PUG U ... ?


76 posted on 11/22/2002 2:05:39 PM PST by Gumlegs
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To: greasyHeart
Where did you get your formal education? Just curious.
77 posted on 11/22/2002 2:18:45 PM PST by johnny7
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To: usurper; Dave S
You two check out my profile page...

Scroll down to the corresponding link and tell me what you think.
78 posted on 11/22/2002 2:20:53 PM PST by VaBthang4
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To: greasyHeart
I think the reference to Noah's time and the similarity to the end times is refering to the condition of Man as described in the Genesis text/being the motivation behind God's decision to destroy all life [save those preserved in the Ark] with the flood.
79 posted on 11/22/2002 2:24:26 PM PST by VaBthang4
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To: Gumlegs
Yes! Magna cum laude!!
80 posted on 11/22/2002 2:28:05 PM PST by tracer
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