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Farmers Threaten To Block US-Mexico Border Crossings [NAFTA]
Voice of America News ^ | Dec. 28, 2002 | AP, AFP and Reuters

Posted on 12/28/2002 7:10:41 AM PST by madfly

Angry Mexican farmers are threatening to block U.S.-Mexico border crossings on New Year's Day to protest the lifting of tariffs on agricultural products under free trade rules.

The farmers say they fear they will not be able to compete with U.S. and Canadian producers when tariffs are removed on January 1 as part of the North American Free Trade Agreement.

The farmers and their supporters are calling on the Mexican government to do more to protect the agricultural sector.

President Vicente Fox refuses to re-negotiate the free trade agreement, but he has pledged to help the farmers compete with the United States and Canada.

Some information for this report provided by AP, AFP and Reuters.



TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; US: Arizona; US: California; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: borders; fox; freetrade; nafta; tariffs
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To: FITZ
Recently on fr someone posted an article that backs up your premise re Cheap labor isn't all that cheap ---machines bring efficiency.

I believe that the story was about a farmer who grew and harvested raisins. His new techniques and machines made him very competitive.

The article note that farmers addicted to cheap labor would lose out to the farmers using and trying new ways and technology to plant, maintain and harvest their crops!

41 posted on 12/28/2002 10:32:48 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: WRhine; Reaganwuzthebest; Ben Ficklin
"...make non-enforcement of our immigration laws the official policy."

Yeah, and Ben Ficklin would have you believe that this is exactly what Ronald Reagan would have done.

Have you ever heard anything so ridiculous?

42 posted on 12/28/2002 10:34:41 AM PST by 4Freedom
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To: 4Freedom; Ben Ficklin
Have you ever heard anything so ridiculous?

The open borders crowd is grasping at straws in order that we accept millions of illegals pouring into the country. Politicians like Sam Brownback and Jack Kemp do this all the time as well, citing Reagan and his "shining city on the hill" quote, but no one's buying it. He was not referring to illegal immigrants.

43 posted on 12/28/2002 10:40:22 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
I'm still wondering who the big business globalists think will buy their products when there's no middle class left in the US.

That's always puzzled me too. Then again, most of these carpet-bagging globalists only think quarter to quarter anyway with no thought or care about the long-term. With the large fortunes they exact from their companies they can live just about anywhere on the globe. Sadly, the very same "live for today" hippies of yesteryear now run Corporate America.

44 posted on 12/28/2002 10:43:40 AM PST by WRhine
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To: WRhine
Under NAFTA Illegal Immigration has gone from being a festering problem to a full blown crisis . . . .

The worst of logical fallacies. Let me ask you this, if more high-paying jobs went south of the border because of NAFTA, then why are more people entering the U.S. in search of high-paying jobs? You can't have it both ways.

In other words, NAFTA has nothing to do with illegal immigration, despite your best efforts to link them.

45 posted on 12/28/2002 10:47:20 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: WRhine
Sadly, the very same "live for today" hippies of yesteryear now run Corporate America.

No the true hippies (the ones engaging in class-warfare) are here posting on this forum.

46 posted on 12/28/2002 10:49:12 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: WRhine
Then again, most of these carpet-bagging globalists only think quarter to quarter anyway with no thought or care about the long-term.

Some of these so-called big-business globalists have already moved out, gone to Costa Rica and other places. Patriotism and country is non-existent, just the almighty dollar.

47 posted on 12/28/2002 10:52:37 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: 1rudeboy
In other words, NAFTA has nothing to do with illegal immigration, despite your best efforts to link them.

I gave you some good links that show that it does ---what do you think the Mexican government intends to do with 80% of 26 million farmers that it destroys? In the article Guerra Contra El Campos it specifically discusses how Salinas (the ex-president guy who has a murdered brother-in-law) talks about reducing the campesino population and then gets into NAFTA.

48 posted on 12/28/2002 10:52:58 AM PST by FITZ
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
GATT/NAFTA has been a disaster for American workers/farmers.
49 posted on 12/28/2002 10:54:54 AM PST by BrucefromMtVernon
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To: 1rudeboy
The worst of logical fallacies. Let me ask you this, if more high-paying jobs went south of the border because of NAFTA, then why are more people entering the U.S. in search of high-paying jobs?

Because when businesses move to Mexico or China, the wages go from being liveable here to a dollar or two an hour there.

It's easy to see why an illegal alien would come to the US if they could make at least twice that with bennies like free medical care and schooling to boot.

50 posted on 12/28/2002 10:55:55 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: madfly
The campesinos seem to be winning ---they've got their government scrambling now --

Celebran Diputados disposición del gobierno en favor del campo http://www.diario.com.mx/nota.asp?notaid=23846

Alista el Gobierno plan antibloqueos http://www.eldiariodechihuahua.com.mx/edicion/articulo/portada/notas/nota3.html
51 posted on 12/28/2002 10:56:20 AM PST by FITZ
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To: BrucefromMtVernon
GATT/NAFTA has been a disaster for American workers/farmers.

But George Bush Sr. thinks it's been wonderful. Someone's getting rich and it's not the average American.

52 posted on 12/28/2002 10:57:53 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: madfly
Oh hey ! Now that the *Mexican* farmers are mad, maybe we'll have to rethink this whole NAFTA thing !!!
53 posted on 12/28/2002 11:01:10 AM PST by lafayette76
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To: Billy_bob_bob
We'll probably have a $12 trillion dollar 'National Debt' by the time Bush is thrown out of office. But hey, 'he ain't Clinton'. :P
54 posted on 12/28/2002 11:01:41 AM PST by 4Freedom
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To: 4Freedom
WHO making U.S tax policies?

US call for clear rules on taxation

By Michael Mann in Brussels Published: November 19 2001 21:06 | Last Updated: November 19 2001 21:27

The World Trade Organisation must give the US clear guidance on what it needs to do to bring its taxation regime into line with global trade rules, a senior US official said on Monday.

Grant D. Aldonas, under-secretary of commerce, said the US would present its appeal to the WTO's appellate body next Monday against a ruling that the Foreign Sales Corporations (FSC) Act violates world trade rules. The FSC allows US companies to shelter income from exports and other foreign sales from tax.

Mr Aldonas said the US was ready to abide by whatever decision the appeals body reached, but criticised the lack of precision in the WTO's ruling. Although it can in theory be overturned on appeal, the initial ruling was so overwhelming that few expect this to happen.

Mr Aldonas repeated the US view that the ruling could also call into question the tax regimes of a number of European Union countries, including France, the Netherlands and Belgium.

55 posted on 12/28/2002 11:07:04 AM PST by FreeSpeechZone
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
"The open borders crowd..."

Just another name for the Bush administration, IMO.

56 posted on 12/28/2002 11:08:48 AM PST by 4Freedom
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To: BrucefromMtVernon
Only a disaster can save Japan and Germany

By John Plender Published: December 26 2002 19:39 | Last Updated: December 26 2002 19:39

Only a disaster can save Japan and GermanyOnly a disaster can save Japan and GermanyMuch has recently been made of the similar nature of the economic problems that afflict Germany and Japan. Both countries have weak banking systems and Germany now appears vulnerable to the deflationary disease that already plagues Japan. Both have made serious economic policy mistakes over the past decade. And both will have to struggle against a powerful demographic tide to generate economic growth in future decades, when a dwindling workforce will have to maintain a growing mass of retired people.

No less important than this economic diagnosis is the broader political question. Why is it that these hitherto highly successful countries have found it so hard to confront their respective difficulties? For in both cases governments have signally failed to measure up to the challenges they face.

Despite presenting a reformist agenda to the Japanese electorate, the government of Junichiro Koizumi has achieved precious little in its economic policies. Germany, meantime, suffers from what Thomas Mayer, Deutsche Bank's chief European economist, calls a complacent electorate and weak political leadership. Under Gerhard Schröder, the chancellor, the ruling coalition has failed adequately to tackle a creaking tax and benefit system or to deregulate markets that are palpably sclerotic.

Part of the problem is that these countries suffer from what might be termed the paralysis of the rich. In order to persuade electorates of the need for radical change it is necessary to generate a sense of crisis. In Japan, despite all the economic difficulties of the past decade, per capita gross domestic product stood at $37,600 in 2000, while the comparable figure for Germany, inevitably lower because of unification, was $22,530.

These, then, are prosperous countries. And because their political processes are rooted in consensualism it can take large shocks to bring about change. Yet they also manage to be remarkably shock-resistant. In Germany, unemployment is high but the generous social security system reduces the incentive for the unemployed to look for work. A reduced participation rate in turn exacerbates the demographic problem. And demographic problems, of their nature, do not induce crises because they grow worse at a snail's pace.

In Japan the more obvious source of a shock is a debt crisis. Since the bursting of the stock market bubble, the government has sought to compensate for the decline in corporate investment by running ever larger fiscal deficits. So public sector debt has risen to unprecedented levels. Yet it is virtually impossible to have a fiscal crisis in Japan when short-term interest rates are near-zero and the yield on long term government bonds is a mere 1.5 per cent.

So, too, in the private sector, where over-indebted "zombie" companies go on for ever because debt servicing costs are low. Deflation and bad policy have substantially removed the discipline of bankruptcy from Japanese capitalism.

Meanwhile, the historical experience of very high or hyper-inflation in Germany and Japan means that policymakers are highly orthodox. At German behest the European Central Bank was given a constitution stricter than that of the Bundesbank. Its interest rates, even if suitable for the eurozone as a whole, are now too tight for the Germans.

For their part, policymakers at the Bank of Japan have been reluctant to contemplate the unorthodox moves that may be needed in a period of deflation, when nominal short-term interest rates are zero but real rates are rising because of a falling price level. It could be sensible, for example, to increase money supply by having the central bank or the commercial banks finance the budget deficit. Conventional bankers demur.

Many of these constraints on policy reflect the characteristic of consensually managed economies noted by the economist Mancur Olsen - namely, that they are often hostage to the stultifying influence of interest groups. In Germany and also Italy, which faces many similar problems, the unions have been particularly effective in slowing labour market and pensions reform. In Japan vested interests in the Liberal Democratic party, with their strong money links to sectors such as construction, have prevented much radical change.

It is easier to cut through such vested interests in a predominantly two-party political system with a first-past-the-post electoral set-up than in countries where coalition government is the norm. The key to the Thatcherite reforms of the 1980s in the UK, for example, was that a government elected by a minority of the voters was able to impose its will on the reluctant majority, on the principle that Lord Hailsham dubbed elective dictatorship.

New Zealand provides another recent example. Its 1980s experiment in liberal economics under David Lange and Roger Douglas was certainly non-consensual and the electorate's distaste for such harsh (and not noticeably effective) medicine ensured an early change in the system to proportional representation.

Part of the dilemma faced by consensually managed countries is that things often have to become a great deal worse before they start getting better. This poses a challenge for the capital markets, where the lion's share of the money is managed by impatient Anglophones. Yet, interestingly, perceptions about Japan and Germany have been at odds.

In the Japanese stock market foreigners have been the marginal buyers of stock as the market has fallen over the past 12 years. Foreign fund managers have continued to absorb equities as members of keiretsu, or loose-knit conglomerates, have sold their cross-holdings in response to financial pressure.

With Germany, capital has been less forgiving. For a period before the introduction of the euro, it became excited about the prospects for restructuring in continental Europe generally and Germany in particular. Then, as the pace of change proved slow, disillusionment set in. Hence the euro's weakness until recently.

Why capital has been more kind to Japan, given that its problems are much deeper-seated than Germany's, is moot. Maybe its economic performance until the 1990s had been so spectacular that it retained an additional residue of goodwill with fund managers. Maybe some of them were still buying into the world's second largest economy on the basis of the weights in a global index.

What is clear is that a succession of shocks has not been enough to turn round these two huge economies. History tells us that when a big enough shock comes along, these countries can change astonishingly fast. The question is whether the Germans and Japanese will have to become poor again, to be shocked out of their affluent paralysis and back into respectable economic growth.

57 posted on 12/28/2002 11:10:48 AM PST by FreeSpeechZone
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To: madfly
Oh, this is nice...

Can I claim it's all "racially motivated" and scream "xenophobe" and "isolationist" at the top of my lungs now?

58 posted on 12/28/2002 11:12:15 AM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
I am merely pointing out that, if NAFTA is creating higher-paying jobs in Mexico (a necessary consequence if one believes that high-paying U.S. jobs are being lost to Mexico), then one cannot argue that NAFTA is increasing illegal immigration to the U.S. because it is putting Mexicans out of work.
59 posted on 12/28/2002 11:13:40 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Yes ---they just raised their minimum wage to just over $4.00 a DAY ---but the price of their imported tortillas is higher than they are here. Meat in Mexico is now about $5.00 a pound ---more than here. Even in Juarez where wages are better $25 to $30 a week is what someone can expect to make. If you believe there is really free trade, try taking a truckload of used clothes over there to sell or give away ---see what happens to you.
60 posted on 12/28/2002 11:18:00 AM PST by FITZ
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