Postcard USA: Open Season on Islam

Daily Times [Pakistan] ^ | January 5, 2003 | Khalid Hasan

[Eaker]

Not in Texas.......:o)

I was trying to figure out how to get my Jeep onto the scanner, but you did it for me!!!!

Thanks Squantos!!!

Eaker

[Jhoffa_]

Obviously you cannot see that human factor and prefer the legal idealisms - yes, the Constitution offers protection but not to those who attack us.

No, it doesn't. As I have stated we punish violent behavior here, that's our law.

Now I don't know what the "human factor" is exactly, but I would be willing to bet that it's something so arbitrary and subjective as to be tyrannical.

I am sure this "human factor" has been sited by every tyrant throughout history as a blanket justification for his tyranny.

The Palestinians, unable to accept their loss on the battlefield, are using a similar argument right now actually. You sound just like them.

[Jhoffa_]

It’s considered proper FR etiquette to address people directly when quoting them and running your mouth about them personally.

Perhaps you could attempt to "ignore me" a little harder? Hummm?

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

PBUH... someone breaking wind.

[swarthyguy]

AS i stated before but you seem to ignore, the human factor is the fact of their living in America that welcomed them.
Now its time for them to pay back a little to their adopted country. You really can't see the issue here?

American Muslims particularly arabs and pakistanis have no credibility in the USA...they're being asked to register (even some citizens), they're scared and they're frightened. But they cannot see enough to realise they've had a year to set themselves right with the American public and haven't. That's not America's fault; it's theirs. But i guess you don't see that.

Shouldn't some introspection be in order on their part.

It's the muslims of America decrying the injustices done against them.

How about them stopping their sobbing for a change.

[unspun]

You have bona-fied Satan Worshipers living next to Conservative Christians,

But if I have any next door, they better not come near any of the family pets, or they'll have more than their daddy's hot lake to pay.

[Eaker]

PLUS, if you can do it to an American Muslim, you can do ti to an American Christian or American Jew.

When Christians and Jews start committing wholesale murder in the name of their religion then so be it.

There is no difference but the religion in question.

True. On one hand there are religions that preach peace and on the other hand there is islam teaching murder and discrimination.

You truly are clueless.

Eaker

[Odile]

Jhoffa says to Swarthy Guy: //You seem to be under the impression that Muslims must 'justify' themselves to you, or to gain Constitutional Protection for their religion.

//Nothing could be further from the truth. You are owed no such explanation and you shall receive none.\\

Well, SG, that's his story and he's sticking to it. Nothing short of a massive dose of sodium pentothal (which I do not advocate, because it would be a waste of good chemical resources) would budge this guy. face it. He's out -- waaaaaay out -- in left field.

Isn't it amazing how the LEFT WING in this country so vigorously defends something as VIOLENTLY REACTIONARY as ISLAM by wrapping up his assertions (they are not really arguments) in our precious Constitution -- the very document which both Western Leftists and Islamo-fascists work furiously every day of their miserable lives to undermine.

If they succeed, it will be interesting to see what happens when they turn on EACH OTHER -- as indubitably they must -- interesting to see IF we are still AROUND that is. That WILL be dubious, if Joffha and his ilk get their way.

[Jhoffa_]

I would agree, I don't care if they register visitors (non-citizens) from Islamic countries.. and I don't want to hear them cry about it.

However, how cna you say that: "American Muslims particularly arabs and pakistanis have no credibility in the USA.."

You linked me to an article from "pak today" that (I just skimmed the top of it) that appears to be slamming radical islam.

What do you want from them exactly? They don't owe you or me an explanation any more than we owe one to the gays or the tree huggers. Their religion is thousands of years old, it's legitimate and it's protected.

[Jhoffa_]

But if I have any next door, they better not come near any of the family pets, or they'll have more than their daddy's hot lake to pay.

My feeling also..

"don't start no jihad, won't be no jihad.."

[swarthyguy]

The religion is 1500 odd years old.

THe article is the type of sentiment i would like to see from more american muslims. Instead, a guy like Sayyed is ostracised by his very own. That's why i say they have no credibility because the impression that America has towards Muslims is very different now than in the past -- it's rather negative now, to say the least and that is due to the failure of their community groups and spokesmen to calm Americans jitters about them over the past year.

Blaming America is not the most politic way to endear yourself to the American public.

[Ol'Grey Head]

Unfortunately, your Islamic brothers have shown their insidious nature for over a 1000 years. It would be foolish to not identify and then closely observe those who show an inclination to take belligerent action against their kind hosts, the people of the larger Judeo-Christian community which is the United States. Yes we are a Christian nation which tolerates you living and practicing your religion among us. Don't forget it.

[Jhoffa_]

You truly are clueless.

No Eaker, you are mistaken.

In the eyes of fedgov, with regard to first amendment protections, there is no difference between these religions.

Don't misunderstand. It's easy to do, so pay attention.

I am not equating them outside of that.. I will not put Islam on par with Christanity in any other sense.

[Odile]

//Remarks of Attorney General John Ashcroft at a meeting of Muslim, Arab, and Sikh groups, October 16, 2001\\

Thank you for posting these remarks by our illustrious AG, John Ashcroft.

Unfortunately, they illustrate the TRAGIC degree to which this country has fallen under the spell -- and the THREAT -- of Political Correctness.

While I do not support vigilantism, such as the activities of the KKK and other similar hate groups, I feel it was a pathetically sad day for America when the first official response from our Justice Department regarding the OBVIOUS source of the monstrous terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 was the dishearteningly pusillanimous document you kindly supplied in Post #306.

[Jhoffa_]

THe article is the type of sentiment i would like to see from more american muslims. Instead, a guy like Sayyed is ostracised by his very own.

You see, now we agree.. Perfectly.

You wouldn't harm this Sayyed if he is a peaceful Muslim who wants nothing more than to worship his God, follow the law and be left alone..

And if you met Lamonte you would probably be left with the same impression..

Just like the stark constrast between your local minister and Jim Jones.

You see, we really aren't that far apart on the issues here.

[Jhoffa_]

THe article is the type of sentiment i would like to see from more american muslims. Instead, a guy like Sayyed is ostracised by his very own.

You see, now we agree.. Perfectly.

You wouldn't harm this Sayyed if he is a peaceful Muslim who wants nothing more than to worship his God, follow the law and be left alone.. You're after the jihadders and the haters, this guy is completely different.

And if you met Lamonte you would probably be left with the same impression..

Just like the stark constrast between your local minister and Jim Jones.

You see, we really aren't that far apart on the issues here.

[Jhoffa_]

Whoop, sorry for the double post.. I was editing and hit return I think.

apoligies.

[Odile]

//The day is coming, and is now here, when traitors such as yourself will indeed be hanged in the public square, and your Muslim buddies along with you.\\

PLEASE don't post things like that. Such remarks only feed the demon that possesses this guy -- and gives it ammunition to throw back at us.

PLEASE don't even FANTASIZE about violent retaliation. That is playing right into THEIR hands -- AND it's likely to get you thrown off the FR board. That's really handing the minions of PD a win on a silver platter.

DON'T do it -- PLEASE!

[swarthyguy]

BUt last point --- it's the nice guys who ostracise guys like Sayyed.

He needs to be embraced by the islamis of the USA. That's the rub. He's not.

But anyway, good to know we agree. Regards.

[Jhoffa_]

Yes we are a Christian nation which tolerates you living and practicing your religion among us. Don't forget it.

I think things are pretty peachy here when compared to the religious unrest that dominates much of the world.