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French are unmoved by US 'frog bashing'
The Times ^ | February 8, 2003 | Tim Reid and Charles Bremner

Posted on 02/07/2003 3:28:16 PM PST by MadIvan

“THE game is over,” President Bush told Iraq on Thursday.

“It’s not a game, and it’s not over,” Jean-Pierre Raffarin, the French Prime Minister, shot back yesterday. Thus the war of words between dovish France and hawkish America grew more rancorous.

There are three men in the world who would be wise for reasons of personal safety not to show their faces in America: Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and M Raffarin’s boss, President Chirac.

Middle America, egged on by hostile television networks and editorial writers, has been whipped into a rage against what is perceived as betrayal by the vain and preening French or, as they are now being characterised, “cheese-eating surrender monkeys”.

France was rescued by America in both World Wars, US commentators note as French obstructionist tactics at the United Nations thwart the campaign to get Saddam.

They mutter darkly about Germany’s anti-Americanism, but the vitriol has been almost exclusively directed at the French: the leader of the Franco-German “axis of weasel”.

“Let’s beat up the French,” the conservative co-host of CNN’s Crossfire programme declared on Thursday night. The audience cheered.

Later a viewer’s e-mail was flashed up on screen: “I understand that the French UN Ambassador was told to stop waving his hand in the air because it was inappropriate to surrender at the UN meeting.”

Bill Sammon, the White House correspondent for the Washington Times, said: “The Administration has come to the realisation that writing off France is not a bad thing politically . . . I think it plays pretty well.”

The British journalist Christopher Hitchens summed up US feelings in The Wall Street Journal: “Chirac. . .is a positive monster of conceit. . .a man so habituated to corruption that he would happily pay for the pleasure of selling himself.”

France is shrugging off what the left-wing daily Libération labelled “le frog-bashing” as a manifestation of the primitive prejudices now prevailing in a country with which it has a long tradition of rivalry.

Gallic commentators have taken a more detached view, seeing America’s anger as proof that Paris must be doing something right with its moral stand in favour of “peace”, while the US air waves and news pages have filled with anti-French vitriol in recent weeks.

“It’s a little tiresome,” one French diplomat said. “The Americans always throw tantrums like this when they don’t get their way.”

The condescension in this statement proves everything that the Americans are saying to be absolutely true - Ivan

But what did hit home was the dismissal by Donald Rumsfeld, the Defence Secretary, of France and Germany as “old Europe”.

The conservative Le Figaro, which has become even more anti-US than Libération, noted yesterday that France had replaced Iraq as the obsession of the “pen-wielding war-mongers” of the White House.

“The toughening of Washington’s position has confirmed the expected return to page one of an odious little character with a black beret, a cigarette in his mouth and baguette under his arm: France has not finished paying for the affront which it has inflicted on the muscular diplomacy of Uncle Sam,” it said.

The more outrageous American gibes are a source of French amusement.

M Chirac’s aides chuckled after Rush Limbaugh, a radio host, said that no one should trust a country with a Foreign Minister named Dominique de Villepin. With his aristocratic airs, the elegant M de Villepin is viewed even in France as a little hard to take.

The media have made much of the US tabloids’ dismissal of France with the “cheese-eating surrender monkeys” insult. Le Figaro nicely translated the line, which comes from The Simpsons television cartoon, as: primates capitulards et toujours en quête de fromages.

The media have also been struggling to decode a now famous New York Post headline denouncing France and Germany as “The Axis of Weasel”. Le Figaro translated this as l’axe des faux jetons — literally “the axis of the two-faced”.

There was also some admiration yesterday for the wordsmiths of the White House who are making good use of the English that is understood even by the French in President Bush’s statements. His “the game’s over” on Thursday night needed no French translation in a country long devoted to English-language café video games.

Over Iraq, the French are distinguishing between “good Americans” and “bad” ones. The latter are written off as right-wing fans of “le cowboy Bush”, such as George Will, a columnist who wrote this week that France was now performing “a manoeuvre which it has been perfecting since 1870: retreat”.

Good Americans are anti-war Democrats, Hollywood stars and the think-tank experts who give sympathetic replies in impeccable French to the anti-American rants of listeners on French radio shows.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: 1cheeseeating; 2surrendermonkeys; bashing; blair; bush; cheeseandwhine; cheeseeating; france; french; froginablender; frogs; iraq; isurrender; saddam; surrendermonkeys; uk; us
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To: MadIvan
The French made a big deal of Bush's statement, "The game is over", by responding that "It's not a game, and it's not over."

That ignores Bush's previous sentence in which he referred to Saddam's cat and mouse game with inspectors.

It would be nice if a major news outlet called the French on this distortion, and asked them if their statement means that Saddam's cat and mouse game is not over, and whether their statement should be interpreted as approval of Saddam's actions so far.

41 posted on 02/07/2003 3:43:01 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: MadIvan
Three guys, an Englishman, a Frenchman and an American are out walking along the beach together one day. They come across a lantern and a genie pops out of it. "I will give you each one wish, " says the genie.

The American says, "I am a farmer, my dad was a farmer, and my son will also farm. I want the land to be forever fertile in America." With a blink of the genie's eye, 'FOOM' - the land in America was forever made fertile for farming.

The Frenchman was amazed, so he said, "I want a wall around France, so that no one can come into our precious country." Again, with a blink of the Genie's eye, 'POOF' - there was a huge wall around France.

The Englishman asks, "I'm very curious. Please tell me more about this wall. The Genie explains, "Well, it's about 150 feet high, 50 feet thick and nothing can get in or out." The Englishman says, "Fill it up with water."

42 posted on 02/07/2003 3:43:29 PM PST by colorado tanker (the game is over)
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To: MadIvan
French are unmoved by US 'frog bashing'

Unmoved? Perhaps we should send them some Metamucil?

43 posted on 02/07/2003 3:43:34 PM PST by jackbill
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To: MadIvan
I don't seem to remember the UN approving the French Deployment of troops into the Ivory Coast ? Are these illegally (by their own defination) parked frogs gonna get Toad away ?

Stay Safe !

45 posted on 02/07/2003 3:43:48 PM PST by Squantos (RKBA the original version of Homeland Security .....the one proven method that works !)
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To: KeyWest
Well done!

Thank you!

46 posted on 02/07/2003 3:43:50 PM PST by Free_at_last_-2001
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To: dfwgator
Nah, French-bashing is too much fun.

Yes, Britain and America are family all right. ;)

Regards, Ivan

47 posted on 02/07/2003 3:44:12 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: jackbill

48 posted on 02/07/2003 3:44:54 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: PhiKapMom
They're called the Frogs because of their eating habits. Even the Russian slang for Frenchman is "lyagushedniki", which means "frog eater".

Regards, Ivan

49 posted on 02/07/2003 3:45:20 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: stlrocket
Unlike the French, at least the clock is right twice a day.
50 posted on 02/07/2003 3:46:04 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: MadIvan
Question: Why are there so many trees along the Champs Elysee?

Answer: So the Nazis could march in the shade.
51 posted on 02/07/2003 3:46:34 PM PST by cerberus
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To: MadIvan
The French translations are hilarious:

Cheese-eating surrender monkeys
primates capitulards et toujours en quête de fromages
Capitulating primates always looking for cheese


“The Axis of Weasel”
l’axe des faux jetons
The Axis of the False (Game) Tokens

52 posted on 02/07/2003 3:46:37 PM PST by LO_IQ
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To: MadIvan
Actually my alternative name for the French would be "chimneys" because they smoke like them.
53 posted on 02/07/2003 3:47:01 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: MadIvan
Good post.
One thing: Why would anybody in the US give a rat's behind about a little pissant country located somewhere in the middle of old Europe? Or is it the point of the article that only people in France believe that some people in the US give a rat's behind about them?
54 posted on 02/07/2003 3:47:18 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: LO_IQ
It's like those French have a different word for everything.
55 posted on 02/07/2003 3:47:42 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: HennepinPrisoner
re: I think we should follow Ann Coulter's advice and just invade France.)))

Let's invade France and convert them to bathing!

56 posted on 02/07/2003 3:48:18 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: The Raven
We showed up late? Didn't they surrender like 15 minutes after WWII Started? Heck, I don't think we knew the war started before they ran out and surrendered
58 posted on 02/07/2003 3:48:55 PM PST by disgruntledinCa
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To: Lancey Howard
When a Frenchman eats escargot, is it cannibalism?
59 posted on 02/07/2003 3:50:52 PM PST by Paul Atreides
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To: disgruntledinCa
Like Ann Coulter said - The Poles in the Warsaw Ghetto lasted longer against the Nazis than the whole French Army did!


60 posted on 02/07/2003 3:52:10 PM PST by stlrocket
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