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Left Wing College Entry #11

Posted on 03/13/2003 9:41:15 PM PST by ConservativeMan55

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To: annapneocon
Just a few thoughts...I've had my fun...but I have better things to do now with my time. See you on the streets Saturday. I'll be the one with an anti-war sign. :oP

Sounds like you're skulking off in Sore Loserman mode because I called you on producing facts. If you pulled the info from the Wash. Post, just post the link, we'll read it. Find that poll, show me the wording. I'm not disbelieving you; I'm simply saying, you have not given one single piece of evidence to back up your opinions. We can give stats on ours. We *will*, if you ask.

It's standard procedure to ask someone to back up their opinions with fact when they toss out opinions like you did. Why is it too much for you to find the very same poll you're quoting, and post it here, for all of us to see? I take it you came here to try to debate; to change minds; not just to bleat, right? I mean, you do feel your position is the correct position, am I wrong here? If so, what hard evidence do you have to BACK THAT POSITION UP? That's all I'm asking. *Show me the money*, so to speak.

If you define having fun as being roundly & soundly trounced by reasonable debate, then, uhm, you did have your fun. You seem to have some NASCENT sense of humor; just try not taking yourself so seriously and post your evidence. We will listen. I promise you, we will listen. That's right -- us horrible, intolerant, evil conservatives will (and have) listened to your arguments, but we just have this thing about wanting, you know, evidence. You might as well be spouting Roswell nonsense if you're not going to back up your statements with facts.

I'm afraid I won't see you at the march, because I have nothing to march for right now (besides, I have to work -- a *lot*) -- since my side has won. We're going to war. And it's going to be quick, it's going to liberate the Iraqi people, it's going to be a just war, and when it's over, we are all going to be laughing SO damn hard at you folks it ain't even funny. :-)

March all you want. It is your right. It's the same right that my friends in the military, and thousands of others like them, will be fighting to protect -- not that you care, of course, it seems the anti-war crowd would like to forget that the freedoms we enjoy today in America were bought at a tremendous cost to human lives.

Nobody wants war. People die in war. Like I said, I have friends who will be fighting this. I don't want them to die, either. But sometimes WAR IS NECESSARY. And war can do great things.

I guess all I'm saying, babe, is -- Give War a Chance.

:-)

And hey, I really do give you credit for showing up and posting your opinion, knowing that you were going to take a lot of heat on it. I'd just like to see you back that position up with facts. That's all. It's the first question you ask about ANY opinion, piece of news, whatever -- what's the source? Where's this coming from? It's Rhetoric 101! You sound mildly intelligent, what do you not understand about that?

Don't give me this blather that you "forgot" where you got them, either. If this stuff is so obvious, and "anyone who knows anything" knows about it, you should have no problem finding stuff that backs you up in .02 seconds using Google. You're trying to back out without giving any facts. I'm not going to let you without repeatedly throwing this in your face. We want the sources; we want the facts.

The reason you can't produce them isn't because you can't find them, or because you forgot where they were, it's because they *don't exist*. The facts are on *our* side. Period.

Prove me wrong! C'mon! I remember a time when a liberal wouldn't back down so easily -- but that was before the lifestyle liberals came around, you know, folks who protest because it's "hip". Not that I'm implying you fall into that category. You're probably just horribly misinformed. However, we can't fix your "information impairment issue" unless you tell us where you got these "facts" and polls from in the first place.

But my guess is that now that we've exposed you as just another boring peacenik who throws out inflammatory statements and asserts them as fact while blatantly refusing to show us your sources...you'll just run away and not come back and pat yourself on the back, somehow thinking you've "won" (I guess this is same way you guys get to "Bush is a bigger threat to peace than Saddam Hussein", etc. -- the Vast Moron-wing Conspiracy...)

Bleh. By the way, are you French by any chance? :-)

61 posted on 03/14/2003 6:39:09 PM PST by Kip Lange (The Khaki Pants of Freedom)
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To: Kip Lange
Well done!
62 posted on 03/14/2003 6:44:54 PM PST by ffusco ("Essiri sempri la santu fora la chiesa.")
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To: annapneocon
Feelings... oh -oh-oh....feelings.

Your'e gonna last about 2 weeks here.
63 posted on 03/14/2003 6:52:20 PM PST by ffusco ("Essiri sempri la santu fora la chiesa.")
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To: CrimeOf73
And liberals consider this suitable conduct for intellectual discourse?

Yes.

There are a few liberals of conscience left that one can debate with, but you have to look *hard*. It's really sad, in a way, I mourn the passing of liberalism as it once was. Don't get me wrong, they're always horribly wrong, but...well, say, I met Dukakis, and there was a guy who was, on a personal level, just...a *great* guy. TOTALLY, utterly, completely, horribly, dangerously wrong about everything, but meant very well, believed in it all, you could look him in the eye and trust him, and you could also...actually debate with him, sort of.

After Socialism died, I figure, it went bad for liberalus notSOstupidus. Death of Socialism would be the equivalent of someone showing us hard, indisputable proof that, say, free markets don't work. We'd be shattered. *They* were shattered. So the party began a slow slide into degeneracy punctuated by moments of pure tantrum fits because their false god has fallen and he can't get up. Today, it's just...trash, with the occasional alright naive young person who's just read too much Marx, is still hitting the bong too hard, and thinks "it's all about oil", who will eventually, one day, have to get a job, like the rest of us...and bills...and mommy and daddy stop sending the checks...at which point said generic young person will come to their senses and start voting Republican. ;-)

64 posted on 03/14/2003 8:59:25 PM PST by Kip Lange (The Khaki Pants of Freedom)
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To: Kip Lange
By "day four" I mean the political situation. You only have to look at the countries that border Iraq, and the fact that it really is something of an artifical nation. Kurds, Armenian(who have real problems with the Turks), Tukomans(close relations with the Turks), in the north. With all that lovely lovely oil in the neighborhood. Shia in the south (with their brothers the Iranians just waiting to "reunite" them. And just happens to put them on the border with Kuwait, and "our good friends" the Saudis and their Whabbi view of Islam and suppression of the shia who live there.
So you can see the real "fun" starts after saddam is out.
65 posted on 03/14/2003 9:08:38 PM PST by Valin (Age and deceit beat youth and skill)
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To: ConservativeMan55
When they say Saddam has nothing to do with 9/11, remind them that OBL said he had three reasons for hating America:

1) our troops in Saudi Arabia (there because SH invaded Kuwait),

2) our embargo of Iraq (there to "contain" SH... and nowadays libs are all for "containing" him and starving Iraqi children),

3) our support for Israel while Israel won't create a Palestinian state (because of ongoing terrorism, which SH encourages with his $25,000 payment to each family of a suicide bomber.)

All three reasons lead back to Saddam.

66 posted on 03/14/2003 9:15:27 PM PST by A_perfect_lady (Let them eat cake.)
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To: Kip Lange
I wonder if annapneocon is one of those who says with one breath that there is absolutely no connection between OBL and SH, and then with the next warns that if we attack Iraq, Al Qaeda will erupt in rage and renew their attacks on us.
67 posted on 03/14/2003 9:22:03 PM PST by A_perfect_lady (Let them eat cake.)
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To: Kip Lange
I know a lot of hardcore conservatives who started out as liberals in their 20s.

I resemble that remark.

Remember the Frost quote -- "Show me a young man who's a conservative and I'll show you a man with no heart; show me an old man who's a liberal and I'll show you a man with no head."

I always heard that was Churchill.

68 posted on 03/14/2003 9:26:53 PM PST by A_perfect_lady (Let them eat cake.)
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To: A_perfect_lady
I always heard that was Churchill.

I could be wrong, I'll check up.

In either case, what does it mean if you were a Libertarian when you were young and a conservative as you got older? ;-) I need to contact Churchill and/or Frost via Oujia board and ask their opinion on this.

69 posted on 03/14/2003 9:39:44 PM PST by Kip Lange (The Khaki Pants of Freedom)
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To: Kip Lange
In either case, what does it mean if you were a Libertarian when you were young and a conservative as you got older? ;-)

It means you started out pretty promising but then got religion! LOL!!

70 posted on 03/14/2003 9:45:31 PM PST by A_perfect_lady (Let them eat cake.)
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To: A_perfect_lady
It means you started out pretty promising but then got religion! LOL!!

Hehe, good one. :-)

You were right, it was WSC. The exact quote is, "Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any man who is over 30, and not a conservative, has no brains."

However, I know why I got confused (besides the fact that I have no heart), because it was Frost who wrote:

"I never dared to be radical when young For fear it would make me conservative when old."

...which makes more sense, anyway. ;-)

71 posted on 03/14/2003 10:01:46 PM PST by Kip Lange (The Khaki Pants of Freedom)
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To: Valin
We'll get to it when we get to it, and I just...well, I take it you're a glass half-empty kinda guy on the postwar possibilities? Myself, I can't help but allow a LITTLE window of optimistic thinking about a possible chance to really address Big Problems directly for...the first time in...too long (excluding activities done post-9/11)...can't blame ya if you're cynical, most of the time I am too, but just not on this one, for some reason.
72 posted on 03/14/2003 10:08:34 PM PST by Kip Lange (The Khaki Pants of Freedom)
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To: ConservativeMan55
This little girl thinks she's more politically aware than the President (obviously, b/c she thinks she is right and he is wrong). However, she doesn't know who Al Sharpton is? Shows you how much info she gets from reading actual news and how much she just gleans from her liberal cookie-cutter friends and Mainstream news sound bites. Maybe you can give her some real information and save her from the abyss that is liberalism.
73 posted on 03/17/2003 9:28:11 PM PST by I'm ALL Right!
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To: I'm ALL Right!
I think I may have changed her mind towards the end of the debate. She did finally concede military action was the only way to disarm him, and that it was better to disarm him now than have a nuke go off in a city somewhere.
74 posted on 03/17/2003 9:37:24 PM PST by ConservativeMan55
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To: Kip Lange
I've always been less sympathetic to those who reformed in their 20s because I turned away from the Left(as I could comprehend it) by age..oh, 13?

My turn towards the light, prefigured my mother's. I'm still way more libertarian than a lot on this board, but I'm becoming "conservative" in foreign policy matters, including borders.
75 posted on 03/17/2003 10:30:58 PM PST by Skywalk
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To: ConservativeMan55
Somebody has to tell Israel and Palestine to work their situation out.

I think Sharon has been very vociferous in telling the Palestinians to start working things out.

76 posted on 03/17/2003 10:33:51 PM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: ConservativeMan55
Dude, you did the right thing in NOT trying to get with that girl.

I dated a SOMEWHAT moderate Democrat, and an active one at that, a couple years back and we ended up breaking up after a big argument that involved her and her lefty roommates ganging up on me. She was mixed and was very nice-looking and very curvy, and strangely a little uptight(esp for a liberal chick!)

It was hard to not sneer a bit at some of the statements that were made, so that made her feel bad. Sorry, I can't "respect" ridiculously stupid and unsupported beliefs, even if held by someone I am attracted to and even like.

We're still friends though.
77 posted on 03/17/2003 10:37:39 PM PST by Skywalk
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To: ConservativeMan55
Its not my judgement to make. The Iraqi people should make the judgement themselves. I am not qualified to make that judgement.

Prolly has someone else pick out her underwear.

78 posted on 03/17/2003 10:45:37 PM PST by pbear8 ( sed libera nos a malo)
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