Posted on 03/13/2003 9:41:15 PM PST by ConservativeMan55
This entry won't deal with my professor but with an argument I had with a girl on the bus ride home. She was a hardcore liberal.
It got started because I was telling her about my Business Law professor who is a hardcore liberal. She said she would probably agree with him.
Her
We can't just go around the world forcing our views on everybody else! I'm so sick of us getting involved in every conflict! Everybody in America is against this war, and George Bush doesn't have a chance in hell of getting re-elected.
Me
What do you mean he doesn't have a chance in hell of being re-elected? There is a ton of support for this war. If you don't think Bush will be re-elected, then who do you suppose is going to beat him?
Her
I don't know man, but I think they are going to find somebody soon...I hope. Bush is on a one man crusade, and I hate it when people go on one man crusades.
Me
Bush will be re-elected overwhelmingly. This war will be short, and the economy will rebound. By the way do you know who is the front runner for the Democratic Nomination? Its Al Sharpton! Do you think Al Sharpton is going to beat George Bush?
Her
Who is Al Sharpton?
Me I rest my case. Bush campaigned in the 2002 elections and won the Senate back, and gained in the House. Do you know what issue he campaigned on? He campaigned on National Security and Iraq. If his poll numbers go down any, which I have seen no evidence of, it will be because he hasn't done something about Iraq soon enough. He campaigned for his Senators, and they were elected.
Her
Iraq wasn't the one that flew the planes into the buildings, it was the other guy. There is no connection. Why aren't we going after North Korea, or any of these other countries who have nuclear weapons?
Me
North Korea and Iran and the other countries have announced they have the weapons. Iraq is attempting to hide theirs. Second of all, you said earlier you were sick of us getting involved in other countries conflicts. We have announced this is a regional conflict, and are trying to get China and Japan to pressure North Korea into complying. So you are just going to hope there was no connection between Iraq and Al-Queda and leave it? If you lived in Iraq wouldn't you want to be freed? How do you explain the defectors from Iraq who say most people in Iraq are for this war? Did you know Saddam thinks the Gulf War never ended? Did you know Saddam has vowed revenge? Did you know he tried to kill George Bush Sr?
Her
Its not my judgement to make. The Iraqi people should make the judgement themselves. I am not qualified to make that judgement. I agree that if somebody bombed France, Germany probably wouldn't help out.
(This is the point I start getting frustrated because liberals always say that its not their judgement to make, so I reworded the question to make it a little tougher for them to answer with talking points. Hehehehehehehe!
Me What do you think is going to happen when we bomb Iraq? Do you think the Iraqi's are just going to sit in their living rooms and yawn and say.."Oh crap they've forced liberty on us" Heck No!! They're going to be dancing in the streets! Screaming at the top of their lungs at the oppurtunity provided to them! How do you think the Iraqi's will react? Seeing as how you say you have their best interest in mind?
Her (At this point she hung her head, and said quietly...yes that is the point that I hear most conservatives make)
Me
All the countries were for us liberating Kuwait in the Gulf War. We liberated Kuwait and as a result of that we gave Saddam a list of rules he has to follow. He never followed any of them. He refuses to listen to the UN. The only way he will comply is by force. Do you think those protests in Iraq are genuine? Or do you think they are staged by the government?
Her
Our government wouldn't want people going around here saying "Go Iraq" They wouldn't like that. We have got to get the Israel and Palestine situation figured out. Somebody needs to tell these guys to work this stuff out, and promote peace over there.
Me
How do you propose we promote peace with Israel and Palestine? While it is still a minority, I have heard many liberal columnists including Ellen Ratner say they hope we lose this war. You hear NO dissention in Iraq.
Her Somebody has to tell Israel and Palestine to work their situation out.
Me The UN passed a resolution on it a long time ago, but the Palestinians don't seem to be listening to it. Shows you how well the UN resolutions work. Did you know that after we bombed Afghanistan 2 million people have moved back into the country?
Her Well I will say in support of the war that the conditions those Afghani women were living under was brutal oppression.
Me Exactly! Now they are going to school and learning and doing all sorts of things they were never allowed to do before. Like speak for instance.
LOL!! No, honey I wouldn't. And that's the difference between me and you.
I shouldn't be surprised, my leftist cousin cried when she heard we went into Afganistan.
As if any leftist in the world would be in favor of military action against No. Korea or Iran if we weren't after Iraq! She's just regurgitating the mindless Rat talking points of the hour.
Once we finish off Saddam, and redirect our energies to the other two legs of the Axis, we'll then see just how enthusiastic these people are about military action in the places their suggesting we deal with now.
Then she better have a serious stash of tissues ready for next week.
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