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"Unlike the American troops, we look the Iraqis in the eye"
The Daily Telegraph U.K. ^ | 4-05-03 | Not attributed

Posted on 05/04/2003 3:04:58 PM PDT by WaterDragon

He counts his unit's kills meticulously, each one a tick in black pen on his khaki helmet which is, by now, bleached by the sun and battered from battle. Perched in the turret of his tank, just behind the barrel that is hand-painted with intimidating war cries such as "kill 'em all" or "I'm a motherf***ing warrior", he talks only to those Iraqis with the temerity to approach: he feels vulnerable without a 60-ton Abrams girding his loins. It is impossible to read anything in his eyes because they are always obscured by mirrored sunglasses.

Only in the safety of his unit's headquarters, behind barbed wire and protected by heavy weaponry, does the American marine take off his body armour and helmet. On the streets of Baghdad, out on patrol, he is wary and ill at ease.

Friendly approach: an Irish Guard patrols the streets of Basra Every Iraqi is a potential troublemaker, a possible target. If one fails to stop at his checkpoint, his response will be to open fire. If more than 50 gather to chant anti-American slogans, he will likely flood the street with soldiers. If he so much as suspects that the crowd has weapons he may well consider a full-scale counter-attack.

Still in full battle dress, though the war is over, he is awesome to behold. His President insists that he was never a member of an invading force, that he was a liberator and is now a peacekeeper. Yet much of the time he is loathed, despised and spat upon by those Iraqis for whose freedom he fought. He and his comrades are among the most hated men in the Iraqi capital.

The manner in which the American forces stormed their way to Baghdad may indeed have been awesome. They fought the war with verve, with valour and with steely determination. How they are holding the peace, however, makes a woeful contrast.

British troops, by comparison, are welcomed in southern Iraq with cries of "We love you Britannia, welcome British." In the south, the British not only won the trust of the locals during the war and used it effectively to gather vital intelligence, they kept it in the aftermath. The Americans, hampered by much stricter rules of engagement and with little experience of peacekeeping, are swiftly losing the battle for hearts and minds.

On the streets of Basra, Safwan and Az Zubayr in southern Iraq, British soldiers, with years of experience of dealing with civilian populations in war zones such as Northern Ireland and of peacekeeping in the Balkans and Sierra Leone, are treated as saviours. They have abandoned their helmets in favour of their more people-friendly berets, have taken off their body armour and mingle with the locals. They have helped to set up a local police force and a council to get the city's infrastructure running smoothly.

"Have you met my buddy Ahmed?" says Sergeant Euan Andrews, from the 7th Parachute Regiment of the Royal Horse Artillery, as he swings an arm around an Iraqi by his side outside the freshly painted Basra police station.

Ahmed, beaming in a baseball cap emblazoned with the words "City of Basra police" in Arabic and holding a truncheon, punches his new friend in playful camaraderie. "A month ago we were shooting at each other," says Euan, "now we are on the same side."

As Ahmed, chest swelling with pride, steps out to deal with the next car check by himself, Euan gives him an encouraging nod. "They're all getting there," he says. "It will take time. There is still a lot of: 'He is my cousin, my friend, he is ok.' We have had to explain that police must be impartial. But slowly we are getting there."

That afternoon the soldiers are playing football against the locals and in the evening they have volunteered to repaint the local school. The Iraqis loiter to chat as they pass the station, shaking soldiers by the hand and bringing them home-cooked meals. "Our methods of dealing with the locals are very, very different from that of the Yanks," one officer says over a cup of local coffee. ("Awful," he says, "but they like it when we drink it.")

"Unlike the Americans we have taken off our helmets and sunglasses and we look the locals in the eye. If we see one vehicle heading at speed towards a checkpoint we let it through. It is only one vehicle. We call our method "raid and aid" - don't ask me what we call the American way."

In Basra, raid and aid worked. For two weeks the 7th Armoured Brigade waited at the bridge before entering the city. During that time it built up its relationship with those Iraqis brave enough to provide intelligence about the Fedayeen - Saddam's loyalist fighters - who had held the city to ransom.

The result was that when the British did enter, they knew where to go, who to go after and who to trust. For them the rules of engagement changed as warfare became peacekeeping. Now, they no longer automatically return fire. They wait. Often Iraqi gunfire is a sign of celebration at the return of electricity or running water. They know it is not necessarily attacking fire.

The Americans are, admittedly, bound by much less flexible rules. Their Force Protection Doctrine decrees that all soldiers must wear helmets and body armour in a war zone at all times and that gun fire must be met with response. They also have little experience in the peacekeeping arena, and their experience of urban warfare in the battle for Hue during the Vietnam war and more recently in Somalia has left them jumpy.

The British have learned in the past 30 years that good information on the enemy was their best protection and that putting soldiers at risk to get it was justified; jungle ambushes in Vietnam made the Americans obsessed with "force protection".

Since the killing of four American soldiers by an Iraqi suicide bomber 10 days into the conflict, they have become even more wary of locals.

Last week, Americans killed 15 people - among them two young boys - at Fallujah, an impoverished Shia area 30 miles west of Baghdad - when locals became angry at their occupation of the local school. Though the US troops say they fired in self-defence - and may well have done so - television footage of bleeding Iraqis, clearly unarmed, lying on the roads, have shocked Western viewers.

In Baghdad, where the Americans rarely leave their compounds, lawlessness is widespread. On Friday, when locals realised that Saddam's sister owned a lavish home in Al Jadria in the west of the city, they stormed the house. Pianos, furniture and paintings were dragged away by a mob of looters. When US soldiers arrived they stopped only long enough to warn journalists not to remove anything or they would be arrested, then left the mob rampaging through the house. "I'm not going near that lot," one marine said. "I don't feel safe anywhere near them, unless I am behind a whopping big tank."

In the more affluent areas of Al Mansour and Al Kaarada, local families have been forced to build barricades to keep out thieves as the American soldiers refuse to patrol.

In the Shia ghettos of Saddam City and Khadamia, where the Americans are reluctant to go even in tanks, the local imams have taken matters in hand. "Imams have set up local security stations in the hospitals," says Yousef al Alwani. "Guns that have been looted, many from Saddam's palace, are brought to the mosques and from there the imams take them to the hospital and arm the local militia who are now policing us. The Americans don't protect us and they don't help us. What else are they doing but occupying us?"

Cultural background, say military analysts, explains much of the British success in southern Iraq. "Britain and other European nations have imperial traditions," says Stuart Crawford, a retired lieutenant colonel in the 4th Royal Tank Regiment. "As a result, British troops have been inculcated with the ethos and tradition of colonial policing, where small numbers of men would have close contact on a daily basis with local populations. But America is a young country with no colonial past."

In some respects it is a paradox that Britain, which once ruled an empire, should have a more flexible and sensitive army than America.

At the end of the 19th century, the howitzer and the Maxim gun were the equivalent of the cruise missile and the tankbuster. To maintain control yet allow and encourage people to live in their traditional ways, they became accustomed to understanding and respecting local culture and customs. It is a lesson that the American army has yet, it seems, to learn.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
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To: F-117A; Squantos
Thank you, gentlemen. As an old sailor, I had no idea what armor the marines rode in and on today.
61 posted on 05/04/2003 4:05:00 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Being a Monthly Donor to Free Republic is the Right Thing to do!)
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To: WaterDragon
The Telegraph, supposedly the most conservative newspaper in Britain

Hardly. I think the Sun is considered to be far more politically conservative.

62 posted on 05/04/2003 4:05:04 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty" not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Clara Lou
The Brits did the slugging around Caen so we could break out at Normandy.

My guess is that the Russians and Brits would have beaten Hitler without us, but maybe not without our material aid.

As to the Russian winter, why didn't it beat the Germans in WWI?

And I hate to pull up stuff this old, but anybody ever heard of the "Blandensburg Races"? We got our butts handed to us by the Brits. I mean, c'mon. They burned our capitol.

63 posted on 05/04/2003 4:05:32 PM PDT by stinkypew
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To: EaglesUpForever
"The British pussyfooted around Basra for two full weeks, scared to venture into battle. The US surged towards Baghdad at full speed in a sandstorm, and conquered Baghdad at darn near the same exact time that Basra truly fell. Good that the Brits are so good at peace, because they are certainly no USA when it comes to war, however imperial their heritage."

The Brits had a different mission in Basrah than the 3rd ID had at Baghdad. Both the US and the UK stayed *out* of the southern cities. We stayed out of al Nasaryah much as the Brits stayed out of Basrah, and for pretty much the same reason. We realized that those cities were Saddam's tarbabies, intended to get us into bloody street fighting. So both countries "pussyfooted" around those cities for a couple of weeks, softening up the defenders.

The original plan -- from what I have inferred -- called for us to do much the same in Baghdad. However, the US battalion commanders on the spot sensed that Baghdad was ready to fold up. So they tried the first "thunder run" through the western city to the airport.

That gave the brigade commanders the confidence to do the second run to the Presidential Palace, at the end of which they called up division and said "can we stay?" Division agreed, and we pretty well junked the original plan and began running through Baghdad like we owned the place. That provided the tipping point.

The Brits in Basrah -- and our troops covering the southern cities -- danced to the tune that Tommy Franks played. Stay out of the cities until the tipping point was reached. The inference that the Brits were too scared to go in but the US wasn't is a bogus as the inference that the Brits have what it takes to garrison a country, but the US don't.

My point is don't let a mutual enemy (the press) break up a beautiful friendship, O. K?
64 posted on 05/04/2003 4:09:52 PM PDT by No Truce With Kings (The opinions expressed are mine! Mine! MINE! All Mine!)
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To: stinkypew
Well there is that little matter called the "Battle Of New Orleans" You do remember in 1814 when some rag tag polyglot of Americans thumped the living hell out of the best England had to offer straight from their victories at Waterloo. It was also the only time the much vaunted "Black Watch" fled the field of battle
65 posted on 05/04/2003 4:13:41 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: stinkypew
They burned our capital but later we handed them the most one-sided defeat they ever suffered at "New Orleans".

I have never heard of the blandensburg races, what is it?

66 posted on 05/04/2003 4:14:50 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: stinkypew
According to Matthew Cooper, "The German Army, 1933-1945," the Russians killed 214,000 Germans between June and November 1944. In the West, 54,000 Germans were killed.

Now that picks up right after D-Day, yet the Russians inflicted 4X the deaths of the U.S. and Brits combined.

67 posted on 05/04/2003 4:15:57 PM PDT by stinkypew
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis
I guess we were thinking of the same thing. You did beat me by a minute.
68 posted on 05/04/2003 4:16:27 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis
New Orleans was not a fair fight. The British held us in such contempt that they launched a frontal assault, virtually without artillery preparation, on well fortified position. They actually had to carry ladders for the final assault.
69 posted on 05/04/2003 4:20:07 PM PDT by stinkypew
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To: No Truce With Kings
Agree.We have our differences but we also stood together.Please leave this writer's piece in the round file.
70 posted on 05/04/2003 4:21:25 PM PDT by MEG33
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Like this?
71 posted on 05/04/2003 4:21:56 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: yarddog
Blandensburg was the "battle" outside Washington in 1814. A few of the Congreve rockets and we pretty much cut and ran. Hence the name, "Blandensburg Races."
72 posted on 05/04/2003 4:21:59 PM PDT by stinkypew
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To: stinkypew
Oh goodness, we didn't fight fair.
73 posted on 05/04/2003 4:22:15 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: yarddog
You know what I'm saying. Don't evade the issue. We almost couldn't lose that battle under the conditions.
74 posted on 05/04/2003 4:24:36 PM PDT by stinkypew
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To: WaterDragon
Perhaps I missed them, but I've seen no articles in American newspapers offering anything but praise for the British troops. I've seen no articles quoting American troops offering other than appreciation for British participation in the war.

I haven't either, and I'm glad of that. It is as it should be.

Unfortunately, you can't count on everyone to have class.

75 posted on 05/04/2003 4:34:09 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet ("Thank God for model train.")
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To: WaterDragon
Do you have a link to the actual story? The source link supplied with the article just takes me to the Telegraph's main page. I'm searching for it but it's always good to have the actual link on the thread for archival purposes.
76 posted on 05/04/2003 4:34:46 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: stinkypew
No that is not the case. No one forced the British to fight the way they did. If they do something foolish then they are to blame not us.

Now if they had to fight with corn stalks while we were using M 16's, well that would be an unfair fight. Being out generaled is their fault.

77 posted on 05/04/2003 4:35:52 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Doe Eyes
I'm going to say it again, I didn't trash the UK. No one who has any kind of historical knowledge of the second World War thinks saying "we whipped Hitler for them (the Brits)" is trashing Britain.

I'm curious - what do you know about the Atlantic campaign of WWII? Do you know that Britain was attacked, and when we FINALLY came to their aid, it was most welcome?

This is not a disparaging question, it is an honest one. I do NOT see how someone bringing up the American intervention in WWII could be "bashing the Brits"...

78 posted on 05/04/2003 4:36:09 PM PDT by dandelion
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To: WaterDragon
You forgot; Monty was going to win WWII single handed until we interfered and set his 20 year plan back.

But I still love the Brits and especially the Scots, they are hell of a good group of soldiers, even if they all can't always vote intelligently.
79 posted on 05/04/2003 4:36:20 PM PDT by Beck_isright (If a Frenchman and a German farted in the Ardennes, would Belgium surrender?)
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To: No Truce With Kings
Don't get me wrong, I love the Brits. But their press has bashed America this way and that the whole time... it was particularly sickening when they would imply we were inflicting civilian casualties willy-nilly, but by contrast that was "not the British way." Sure we both stayed out of the south for good reason, but the US took more risks as a result.

I very much appreciate Britain as an ally, but I hope they (including their general population, which like here has far too many leftists) are as true an ally as possible, and don't slide towards the french way of hating us while playing the role of "ally" when it's expedient.

80 posted on 05/04/2003 4:37:39 PM PDT by EaglesUpForever (Boycott france and russia for at least 20 years)
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