Posted on 06/21/2003 4:40:48 AM PDT by Dajjal
Thanks! Good find!
...In conclusion of this part, Bush has proven himself to be a deceiver and a liar. In fact, I consider him to be the head of the Dajjal (the deceiver) system of inhuman, totalitarian and fascist branch of Secularism.
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The War on Iraq is a scare tactic to the Muslims. This war is about sending the message to the Muslim world not to stand in the way of the American will because you could be destroyed easily if you are not with America. The Dajjal (the promised deceiver) would offer to mankind that either you are with me or against me giving no ground for neutrality. The Messenger of Allah told us that those who submit to the Dajjal will be the losers eternally and those who resist his domination will find themselves in paradise in the life hereafter. It has been prophesied by the Messenger of Allah that the Dajjal will have control over life and death, the way Bush has killed at least 15,000 Afghani civilians, including men, women, young and old, while providing billions of dollars in aid and prosperity for the Israelis. This is indeed the time of test for the Muslim world; let us see who submits to Dajjal and who resists him.
Note how strikingly similar these two statements are - you just have to change a few names and words:
ZELDA LOVES FRESH STRAWBERRIES.
ALBERT AND HANS LOVE BEATING UP OLD LADIES.
That of course is taking my words literally to the point of disregarding the underlying meaning. Quite like the approach to religion displayed by many (not all) fundamentalists, Islamic, Christian, or whatever.
Just to clarify, I don't think most people would consider these statements similar.Here is a better illustration of what I meant:
Zelda loves fresh strawberries.
Fatima loves fresh dates.
I'm not equating Christianity with Islam, but I couldn't help noticing the similarities in what was posted and much of the "end times" theories I have seen here.
Of course not! But you have brilliantly pointed out the remarkable similarity between
WE MUST FORGIVE AND LOVE ONE ANOTHERand
WE MUST FLY PLANES INTO BUILDINGS"you just have to change a few names and words" and they are "strikingly similar".
Of course! You've noticed the remarkable fact that I am "strikingly similar" to a Muslim, presumably as long as we "change a few names and words", in this case changing
ETHAN CLIVE OSGOODEto
SHEIKH ABDUL EL-WAZIand voila!, strinkingly similar.
Alert Umma there is a 90% chance that we will see the Jewish Dajjal in our lifetime
Understanding Islamic End-Times Beliefs
(Rod Dreher's article about Prof. David Cook at National Review Online)
Prof. David Cook reports that since the 1980s, throughout the Middle East, there have been tons of books and pamphlets "explaining" that the United States (or Britain or NATO or Israel or Western Culture in general) is the Dajjal.
Prior to that time, mullahs would preach the “classical” description of the Dajjal prophesied in the Hadith: A giant with one usable eye and one putrid eye who almost takes over the globe until the Mahdi appears to kill him. The Dajjal can leap through the sky, touching the clouds, wade across oceans, and ride a powerful mule swiftly across land. He brings back the dead to life (or at least seems to). There’s lots of other stuff.
The appearance of the Dajjal is one of the Signs of Qiyama -- signs that Judgment Day is nigh. A few other signs are that “a brother in the west can speak to a brother in the east,” that dancing and singing women would be everywhere, that homosexuality would be commonplace, that women would abort their children.
In the 1980s, the mullahs began to interpret these prophecies allegorically as applying to the United States and Western Culture. They said that they described the Western inventions of the airplanes, railroads, highways, modern ships, telephones, television, radios, etc. “Restoring the dead to life” meant the discovery of penicillin and all the innovations of modern Western medicine. And, of course, the Hadith was predicting the women’s lib, gay lib, and pro-aborticide movements.
The Dajjal being one-eyed meant that Americans are materialistic and lack spiritual vision, as well as the influence of Freemasonry and that pyramid on the dollar bill. “Conquering the world” meant US dominance in political, economic, and cultural influence.
Sheikh Al-Khail bin Yousuf is not a lone wolf. He is preaching what has become the common, popular, interpretation of the Dajjal prophecies throughout the Muslim world.
My primary point is that here we are, some 21 MONTHS after 9/11, and this information still has not made it into the general press and broadcast media news. It is vital to know accurately what the enemy thinks, and an IMPORTANT, CENTRAL chunk of that information is still being withheld, either through deliberate political suppression or though journalistic laziness.
My secondary point is that this information is crucial as the US tries to rebuild Afghanistan and Iraq, and look for “moderate” Muslims in the Middle East. As the US hands out money to these people, we need to ask them “Do you now, or have you ever believed, that the United States is the Dajjal?”
My third point is that US teaching efforts must take this issue head-on and refute it, one way or another: telling them “NO, we are NOT your ‘Dajjal.’ NO, it is not the end of the world. Now give up this suicide bomber stuff and go to school and make something useful of yourselves.” We need to remove this as the popular interpretation, and shrink the pool of Muslims who believe this, from whom terrorists are recruited.
That will not solve everything. There can still be Muslim terrorists even without this Dajjal stuff. But putting a lid on it will be a major step, and is a necessary step.
You're right, these things must be confronted. Someone who talks you into committing the sin of suicide by telling you it is good, IS evil. Someone who kills innocents intentionally IS evil. Someone who takes money given to the poor to feed them and uses that money to purchase weapons to kill IS evil. Charity is a gift to God, those who steal that money, rather than using it for the purpose intended, IS evil.
I noticed a similarity in the way some fundamentalists of different faiths view the world today. Namely, that ultimate evil is misleading many, but the end is near, and when it comes the true believers will be saved and the believers in the false god will be destroyed.
Different terms are used by diffferent groups (Dajjal and anti-Christ, God and Allah) to express a view of life that has some big things in common.
There is a Catch 22: The Hadith prophesies that the Dajjal will conquer some people with military might, and others by benevolent seduction. Those who follow the Dajjal prosper: abundant crops, good health, long life, material comfort, etc.
Because the US is big and powerful, just about anything we do can be labeled “Dajjalic” by the fanatics.
But for the ordinary guy in the street, this strategy should work. Economic growth, education programs, medical and nutritional assistance should win them over, and shrink the pool from which the fanatics can recruit.
But it is important that the US be consciously AWARE of this "Dajjal" propaganda while we are doing our good works, or else it can all come to nought.
I agree. These are not mutually exclusive threads in Muslim eschatology.
Agreed, but every group has some members who use their personal interpretations of their scriptures to justify some pretty horrid acts. I'm not trying to make religions out to be equivalent. I was just struck by the fact that fanatics of all stripes can sound amazingly like each other.
In any case, thanks for your comments.
Non-fanatics of all stripes can also sound amazingly like each other.
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