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1 posted on 08/17/2008 12:54:13 PM PDT by carolgr
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It may be above my pay grade to state this, but real Catholics are not buying Obama’s line on life.


2 posted on 08/17/2008 12:55:34 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E. That spells free. freerepublic.com baby)
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To: carolgr
If you go by Catholicism, Obama should flop. There is though a ton of non-Catholic Catholics who are very liberal.
3 posted on 08/17/2008 12:56:13 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Coleus; Salvation; NYer; narses

Catholics on FR are better qualified than I am to respond to Obama’s appeal to Catholics.


6 posted on 08/17/2008 1:07:23 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (If Islam conquers the world, the Earth will be at peace because the human race will be killed off.)
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To: carolgr
Any Catholics voting for Obama ought to get double purgatory. And for the sake of emphasis, I'll g throw in my fellow evangelical protestants. For the sin of an Obama vote, my Presbyterian self will allow, if not encourage, the existence of purgatory to accommodate such foolishness.
7 posted on 08/17/2008 1:09:05 PM PDT by tbpiper (McCain is whitebread. Obama is toast.)
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To: carolgr
One of Obama’s Catholics, Kansas governor Kathleen Sebelius (D), was personally and publicly informed by Kansas City ’s Archbishop Joseph Naumann that she disqualifies herself from Holy Communion and she should “take the difficult political step, but necessary moral step, of repudiating her past actions in support of legalized abortion.”

Like everything else about Obama, even his Catholics are make-pretend.

8 posted on 08/17/2008 1:14:51 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: pax_et_bonum
Obama and McCain Woo Catholics

Ping to you, so easily wooed.....

9 posted on 08/17/2008 1:15:18 PM PDT by humblegunner (I'm voting for McCain because he's white.)
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To: carolgr; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...
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Freep-mail me to get on or off my pro-life and Catholic List:

Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of interest.

13 posted on 08/17/2008 1:59:32 PM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: carolgr

The Knights of Columbus does more to promote pro life values than many of our Priests do at the pulpit.

The fact that the Catholic population does not understand/care to know the facts about different candidates or reflect on their Catholic values to determine who they vote for is tragic and inexcusable.


15 posted on 08/17/2008 2:25:04 PM PDT by Mr. Binnacle (Baby, Everybody's Had to Fight to be Free - Tom Petty)
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To: carolgr
Well this Catholic 'ain't' voting for him, that's for darn sure.

Everything Obama is for, or believes in, is IMHO contrary to the basic tenets of Christianity in general. And that's because he's a communist.

He may espouse 'Matthew' but he's got 'Marx' in his heart.

16 posted on 08/17/2008 2:25:35 PM PDT by Condor51 (I have guns in my nightstand because a Cop won't fit)
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To: carolgr; Salvation; narses; NYer; A.A. Cunningham; LtKerst; tbpiper

Again, lets not confuse practicing Catholics with CINO’s.

Obama has two chances of winning...slim & none and “Slim” just left the building. LOL


17 posted on 08/17/2008 2:47:56 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: carolgr
So by Chaput's logic, McCain might be the lesser of the evils even though he does not have a 100% stellar pro-life stance like we have been told. He voted for embryonic stem cell research which I forgot.

And some scientific researcher argues that embryonic/fetal stem cells won't work anyway. I'm sure there are others who argue the opposite.

What a conundrum. On that alone, I don't want to vote for McCain, could bring myself around if he had a true change of heart and mind. No one can talk me into or out of anything. I am the decider of how I vote, and I do highly regard Catholic moral teachings on this issue; indeed were it not for that, I might have swerved a different way myself. To my knowledge, the Catholic church is the only Christian religious body that speaks out on this issue with such clarity (at the magisterial level).

Chaput's letter was a little confusing when I read it.

18 posted on 08/17/2008 2:50:55 PM PDT by Aliska
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Catholic beliefs about Abortion:

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1: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2271  (618 bytes )  preview document matches
1 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion,
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2271.htm
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2 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2272.htm
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3: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2322  (290 bytes )  preview document matches
2 From its conception, the child has the right to life. Direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, is a "criminal" practice (GS 27 § 3),
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2322.htm
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4: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2274  (554 bytes )  preview document matches
gravely opposed to the moral law when this is done with the thought of possibly inducing an abortion, depending upon the results: a diagnosis must not be the equivalent
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2274.htm

19 posted on 08/17/2008 2:53:05 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: carolgr
Obama and McCain Woo Catholics
Editorial: At the Saddleback Forum, Senator McCain and Pastor Warren took the Gold

Religious Voters Favor McCain, Poll Claims
Sen. McCain holds private meeting with Archbishop Chaput
John McCain's Remarks on Abortion in Speech to National Pro-Life Convention
McCain campaign plans ‘very aggressive’ outreach to Catholic voters
McCain Meets with Selected Catholic Leaders

28 posted on 08/17/2008 3:09:25 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: carolgr

Ugh, I hate “social justice” Catholics. Why don’t they just become Episcopalian already????

All Catholics who vote for Democrats should be excommunicated!!


36 posted on 08/18/2008 2:04:31 PM PDT by GatorGirl (Election 2008--It's all about the judges!!)
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