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Sandra Miesel is a
 writer and medievalist. This article originally appeared in the September 2004 issue of Crisis Magazine.

1 posted on 08/25/2009 2:39:22 PM PDT by NYer
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Ping!


2 posted on 08/25/2009 2:39:56 PM PDT by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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I enjoyed reading that, thank you!


3 posted on 08/25/2009 2:45:35 PM PDT by dog breath
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OK, this post stands in for all the Monty Python pics and quotes.

Now to read the actual article... :)


4 posted on 08/25/2009 2:47:13 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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Interesting. One might also go here:

http://www.monsalvat.no/concommon.htm

And, if you really want something to ponder, google “parsifal jungian” or something like that.

parsy, who learned to ask questions


5 posted on 08/25/2009 2:50:41 PM PDT by parsifal (Dare I mention the term common sense? Book of Vinnie - Chapter 58 Verse 1 (The Boomer Bible))
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More revisionist history. The grail lineage of worship in the blood of Christ died with the Templars at who carried it, possibly preserved in Roslyn Chapel in Scotland.THe temple was destroyed Friday, October 13, 1307 at the hand of King Philip IV of France, beginning a movement that later resulted in the Inquisition and the darkest days of the history of the church of Rome, which was actually very much in fear of the lineage of the Holy Grail.

One can try to co-opt that all one wants. There is far too much history which says its much different.

The magic of the Grail is still access-able, but hardly in the way described in this article.

http://www.rosslyntemplars.org.uk/


7 posted on 08/25/2009 2:56:33 PM PDT by Candor7 (The weapons of choice against fascism are ridicule ,derision ,truth. (member NRA)
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"And so each of us is given the grace to be a Galahad"

Yeah but according to T.H.White Galahad was a jerk.

8 posted on 08/25/2009 3:03:04 PM PDT by Artemis Webb
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Interesting article — a bit of a long read but worth it.


9 posted on 08/25/2009 3:20:33 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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Graham Hancock sets forth an analysis that the Grail originally developed as a literary device to sympolize the Ark of the Covenant. The original authors all knew the truth which is that the Ark is located in Ethopia; the various literary depictions are clues to the uninformed reader to gain the understanding necessary to locate the Ark.


10 posted on 08/25/2009 4:14:07 PM PDT by David (...)
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For later.


11 posted on 08/25/2009 4:26:14 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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Interesting.


12 posted on 08/25/2009 5:34:26 PM PDT by El Sordo
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The funny thing is that it ain't lost. After the Reconquistadores liberated the Basilica of Our Lady of the Forsaken, they found the grail exactly where they had left it. The legends of it bringing eternal life comes from a Moorish (dark knights?) misunderstanding of Christian doctrine of the Blood of Christ, believing the halo depicted in the artwork to signify that the grail was magic. A CNS news story reports:
Valencia's sacred chalice is made up of two parts. The polished stone vessel on top is supposed to be the cup of the Last Supper. It is made of dark brown agate and measures 6.5 inches tall and 3.5 inches wide. Archeologists say it dates back to the first century B.C. and is of eastern origin, from Antioch, Turkey, or Alexandria, Egypt.

The part of the chalice that the cup rests upon was made during the medieval period. The chalice's stem and handles are made of fine gold, and its alabaster base is decorated with pearls and other precious gems.

Msgr. Sancho wrote in the Vatican paper that tradition says after Christ instituted the Eucharist at the Last Supper St. Peter took the cup to Rome, where it was protected by successive popes.

Not that the Catholic Church definitively holds it to be the cup of the Last Supper:
However, Umberto Utro, head of the Vatican Museums' department of early Christian art, told Catholic News Service that Valencia's grail was not the cup used during the Last Supper.

"It's impossible Jesus drank from it; that there were such rich and fine vessels used at the Last Supper was nonsensical," he said, especially since Jesus and most of the apostles came from humble or poor backgrounds. "He most probably used a cup made from glass like everybody else," he said.

(I find this reasoning to be almost scandalously foolish; the base, which is so valuable, is quite obviously a much later addition to the rather humble earthen vessel, which is far more likely to have been used than a glass cup, since it would be much more durable. Has the Msgr ever met a Jewish family? Do a search on "Cup of Elijah" and you will find almost no glass vessels. Further, using an earthen vessel echoes Lamentations, and in turn is echoed by St. Paul.[2 Cor 4:7] Do a search on "Cup of Elijah" and you will find almost no glass vessels.)
13 posted on 08/25/2009 8:00:02 PM PDT by dangus (I am JimThompson)
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I’ll take the story of the Knight Rodrigo de Bivar over the Arthurian legends any day!


14 posted on 08/26/2009 7:03:31 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Tar and feather the sons of bi#ches! Ride them out of town on a rail!)
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