Posted on 08/01/2010 6:54:34 AM PDT by narses
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Wow ... and they think Jason's on the road to hell.
Here’s something Brewer used to lie about. People corrected Brewer on this all the time. He continued to lie about it. Typical anti-Catholic. They always resort to lying.
The lie: http://www.mtc.org/bishop_s.html
The truth: http://www.stempublishing.com/authors/kelly/8_Bt/Strssmyr.html
“Typical anti-Catholic. They always resort to lying.”
They do. Sad.
good read
>>>Whenever there was a king, the throne at his side and a magnificent crown were reserved for his mother, who served in a position of authority and great intercessory power for the people (1 Kings2:12–21, Jer. 13:18). <<<
Help me out here. I cannot find that understanding in the referenced passages.
Jeremiah 13:18:
“Say unto the king and to the queen, Humble yourselves, sit down: for your principalities shall come down, even the crown of your glory.”
1 Kings 2:12–21:
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[12] Then sat Solomon upon the throne of David his father; and his kingdom was established greatly.
[13] And Adonijah the son of Haggith came to Bath-sheba the mother of Solomon. And she said, Comest thou peaceably? And he said, Peaceably.
[14] He said moreover, I have somewhat to say unto thee. And she said, Say on.
[15] And he said, Thou knowest that the kingdom was mine, and that all Israel set their faces on me, that I should reign: howbeit the kingdom is turned about, and is become my brother’s: for it was his from the LORD.
[16] And now I ask one petition of thee, deny me not. And she said unto him, Say on.
[17] And he said, Speak, I pray thee, unto Solomon the king, (for he will not say thee nay,) that he give me Abishag the Shunammite to wife.
[18] And Bath-sheba said, Well; I will speak for thee unto the king.
[19] Bath-sheba therefore went unto king Solomon, to speak unto him for Adonijah. And the king rose up to meet her, and bowed himself unto her, and sat down on his throne, and caused a seat to be set for the king’s mother; and she sat on his right hand.
[20] Then she said, I desire one small petition of thee; I pray thee, say me not nay. And the king said unto her, Ask on, my mother: for I will not say thee nay.
[21] And she said, Let Abishag the Shunammite be given to Adonijah thy brother to wife.
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If you read on you will see that Solomon denied Bath-sheba’s request, preferring instead to have Adonijah put to death, as follows:
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[22] And king Solomon answered and said unto his mother, And why dost thou ask Abishag the Shunammite for Adonijah? ask for him the kingdom also; for he is mine elder brother; even for him, and for Abiathar the priest, and for Joab the son of Zeruiah.
[23] Then king Solomon sware by the LORD, saying, God do so to me, and more also, if Adonijah have not spoken this word against his own life.
[24] Now therefore, as the LORD liveth, which hath established me, and set me on the throne of David my father, and who hath made me an house, as he promised, Adonijah shall be put to death this day.
[25] And king Solomon sent by the hand of Benaiah the son of Jehoiada; and he fell upon him that he died.
Jer 13:18
Say to the king, and to the queen: Humble yourselves, sit down: for the crown of your glory is come down from your head.
1 Kings 2:12–21
12 Now the sons of Heli were children of Belial, not knowing the Lord,
13 Nor the office of the priests to the people: but whosoever had offered a sacrifice, the servant of the priest came, while the flesh was in boiling, with a fleshhook of three teeth in his hand,
14 And thrust it into the kettle, or into the cauldron, or into the pot, or into the pan: and all that the fleshhook brought up, the priest took to himself. Thus did they to all Israel that came to Silo.
15 Also before they burnt the fat, the servant of the priest came, and said to the man that sacrificed: Give me flesh to boil for the priest: for I will not take of thee sodden flesh, but raw.
16 And he that sacrificed said to him: Let the fat first be burnt to-day, according to the custom, and then take to thee as much as thy soul desireth. But he answered, and said to him: Not so: but thou shalt give it me now, or else I will take it by force.
17 Wherefore the sin of the young men was exceeding great before the Lord: because they withdrew men from the sacrifice of the Lord.
18 But Samuel ministered before the face of the Lord: being a child girded with a linen ephod.
19 And his mother made him a little coat, which she brought to him on the appointed days, when she went up with her husband, to offer the solemn sacrifice.
20 And Heli blessed Elcana and his wife: and he said to him: The Lord give thee seed of this woman, for the loan thou hast lent to the Lord. And they went to their own home.
21 And the Lord visited Anna, and she conceived, and bore three sons, and two daughters: and the child Samuel became great before the Lord.
Sadly so. Spiritual blindness maybe?
....these issues common to the practices of the majority of catholics have always been a source of contention...the battle will equally continue to rage as it has for centuries.... The “reformation” continues though at somewhat a more respectable level than prior centuries..but the issues will not rest as we see the heavenly battle for truth play out in the circles of debate here on earth.
Both sides believe the other is misleading the masses....but in the end each individual will determine the side of truth they choose to stand with and fight for. That is the reality of the situation.
Christ sets us free....and for that freedom to believe as one determines the truth to be. Some will choose to abide by that of regulations, rules, rituals and massive amounts of traditions He never imposed on us. Others prefer to walk by faith...”The just shall live by faith”....and following Christ as He taught us to do. Restricting that freedom, or dictating what that shall be thru traditions and rituals will always distract from the centrality of Christ IMO and thru the investigations I have done on both sides of the issue.
Again...each will determine the side of truth they will stand with. Learning much about the catholic faith from the Fr threads and the references given over these months...as well as personal investigation....My conclusions have lead me to that of standing with the truth of Christ alone and His written word as the authority and the standard over any other traditions or perceived ideas of a hearsay dictating what some believe to be otherwise in their teachings within the catholic faith.
Some will choose to abide by that of regulations, rules, rituals and massive amounts of traditions He never imposed on us.I had no idea how pharisitical the lives you must believe we Catholics live must be! Pray tell, is the rule against say divorce on that you think Our Lord did not "impose" on us?
Some reply out of context....most understand the context of what I refer to.
Let me make sure I understand you. Christ set us free, and that freedom consists in everyone having the "freedom to believe as one determins the truth to be"?
Oh, brother ...
You mean like Baptists who think that drinking alcoholic beverages is always and everywhere sinful, although the Bible nowhere says any such thing? That kind of "rule" that "He never imposed on us"?
I'm not Baptist but as for drinking....there are many scriptures opposing drunkenness:
“Wine is a mocker and beer a brawler; whoever is led astray by them is not wise” Prv. 20:1
‘Who has woe? Who has sorrow? Who has complaints? Who has needless bruises? Who has bloodshot eyes? Those who linger over wine, who go to sample bowls of mixes wine......” Do not gaze at wine when it is red, when it sparkles in the cup, when it goes down smoothly! In the end it bites like a snake and poisons like a viper. Your eyes will see strange sights and your mind imagine confusing things.....” Prv.23:29-33
“Do not join with those who drink too much wine or gorge themselves on meat, for drunkards and gluttons become poor and drowsiness clothes them like rags.” Prv.23:20,21
It does appear moderation is key, however one prone to drinking too much.... if is not of faith it is sin for them. Mel Gibson comes to mind and those like him. There loses increase over time.
Already we have dodging and equivocating and refusing to engage the direct question - (Post 16 in response to post 15.) Now that the rabbit has been chased, how about rereading 15 and replying to it?
Their replies consist of disjointed bible quotes which are usually irrelevant to the topic being discussed but that is their only recourse when confronted with evidence which contradicts their indefensible positions.Post #7 on this thread is a prime example of this failing .
When threads are presented concerning conversions to Catholicism, as the S. Baptist M,D. last Monday, the powerful testimony given by this educated person upends their comfort zone and they reply with inane commentary.In perusing their comments on that thread I would venture most of the critics did not even watch the program but made comments anyway.
These souls are to be pitied and prayed for God has not given them much and so little can be expected.
This one post speaks volumes to the hubris that is Protestantism and is a good example of the Protestant practice of telling Catholics incorrectly what we believe and then telling us why it is wrong. There is no attempt to actually learn and understand Catholic dogma before spouting.
The Catechism is very clear on the concept of freedom, addressing it some 89 times. You would do well to actually read it before opining. What ever you consider "researching" is obviously flawed, incomplete, and one sided.
There are often misrepresentations of RCM presented by Prots, and there are some arguments against Rome which should not or need not be used (call no man father, statutes, etc.) as well as things like exaggerations regarding the Inquisitions (bad enough as it was, and Prots has their share).
And there are many misrepresentations of Protestant beliefs (such as “solo” versus “sola” Scriptura) by Catholics, and many arguments for her which are specious, such as were recently covered in extensive threads, including her very basis for authenticity.
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