Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Wow! You really DON't read the gospels. Remember, Christ said, "Before Abraham was, I am." Now that statement is so profound, it can stand alone. "I and the Father are One." There's another one. So, are you saying there was no Christ before the Incarnation?
So, are you saying that, like the filthy Calvinists, Christ DID NOT choose His Mother? And frankly, I see no evidence of Calvinists on this forum following Christ, so I cannot believe that any of you are His family.
See if you can grasp this...NO ONE WAS TALKING ABOUT ABRAHAM.
My daughter turned down a second job at a Presby church for that sort of thing being spewed from the pulpit.
She quit the choir at a Baptist church for the pastor saying that people from India brought satan to America while staring at the choir member from Trinidad.
Before the others shriek, it involved scholarships. In her opinion that sort nastiness wasn’t worth the money.
Yawn. Seriously.
Protestants can be very open about their heresy. You’d think they’d be ashamed, but instead, they puff up with pride.
Poor try. The fact that her feast day was restored an an optional memorial does nothing to "reaffirm" the validity of her existence.
Fiction is fiction, is fiction.
Pray to her if you wish. Praying to a fictional charachter is no less useful than praying to any authentic dead person.
I have a soft spot for the Bills, having grown up an hour from Buffalo. I think that the Patriots have a soft spot this year, called 'game day'... :)
God will judge all the unregenerate BECAUSE of their sin.. The sin of the unregenerate condemn them
However The saved have already been forgiven and washed of their sin..they will stand before God IN CHRIST..seen by the Father as clean and guiltless, because Christ already took the punishment we deserve
Romans 5:6-10 says, "For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His love toward us, in that, while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life".
"The severity of divine justice does not render good according to works which are not perfectly good. But Christ in the final judgment will render to every one, and so to the saints also, according to their works. Therefore the works of the saints are so perfect that they will in themselves stand in the judgment of God.
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There are here four terms; because the major must be understood of a legal reward of works, whilst the minor must be understood of a reward that is evangelical; or to express it differently, we may say that the justice of God does not render good according to works which are imperfect, if he judges according to the covenant of perfect obedience to the law.
But Christ, in rewarding the works of the saints, will not judge according to the covenant of perfect works, but accordin-, to the covenant of faith, or of his own righteousness imputed and applied to them by faith; and yet he will judge them according to their works, as according to. the evidences of their faith, from which their works have proceeded, and which they, as the fruits of this faith, declare to be in them.
URSINUS, COMMENTARY ON THE HEIDELBERG CATECHISM, page 610
There is as little historical evidence to disprove her existence as there is to prove it. The same applies to Jesus. It is faith that leads us to believe.
That a Catherine of Alexandria was martyred in the 3rd century is not in question. Hagiographers have simply claimed that they were unable to attest to much of the legend that surrounds her. There is still much to venerate.
However The saved have already been forgiven and washed of their sin..they will stand before God IN CHRIST..seen by the Father as clean and guiltless, because Christ already took the punishment we deserve
AMEN! That is the Good News of the Gospel.
Christians will be chastised and tempered by God to strengthen our faith and trust in Him alone, but we will never be punished by God because we have already been forgiven for our sins...every one of them.
It should have been named the Hindenburg Catechism because its a big flaming gasbag!
Galatians 1:11
But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. 12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Anecdotal evil baptist ping, no doubt somewhere in the mid-west or southern states, possibly swamp peoples
Actually, the discussion began with you telling me I should read the book first. I had, as well as several others that help understand the background of Mother Teresa, her namesake etc. monastics, which you then took off on.
You then went off on celibacy, took a while for you to find the scripture on that one. Then Jesus on poverty, you never bothered on that one.
Instead, as predicted by others, your posts quickly jump to “pederast priests.”
I’ve read Mother Teresa and those she read, monastics like her namesake. This is the context we began with. Your understanding of Mother Teresa’s writing. Which, to remind, I said was clueless without knowledge and background...
Anyway, my question remains: what accounts for your lack of knowledge of the contributions of monastics to the development and spread of Christianity? Did you skip this time frame in the history of Christianity?
Have you studied this at all? How about around the time of St. Augustine and his life? Any study or knowledge about monastics and their contribution around this time frame? Anything at all prior to the 15th Century?
anectdotal evil AOG ping, no doubt somewhere in the mid-west or southern states, possibly desert areas
Clearly you appear not to know what "conceptualization" means.
Perhaps this might change your mind:
•inventing or contriving an idea or explanation and formulating it mentally
•an elaborated concept
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
Nope, your definition of conceptualization does not fit reality any more than your theology fits Christianity.
Study to show yourself approved, Mark. Or not.
I do not take or eschew action at the bidding of the likes of you.
Nothing said by Paul supersedes, revises, changes or amends anything in the Synoptic Gospels. If it it does the interpretation of Paul is wrong. You could learn everything needed for Salvation from the Gospels alone, but by themselves, Paul's letters are hollow.
Those are 2 different statements, we try to point out the lousy theology that leads to mariology, and that may sound like mocking to one in the grips of the false Mary that the Catholic church has designed
We do give her the respect she is due as a sister in Christ, a sinner saved by Gods grace and a faithful servant of God..
And all of you call her a sinner, no better than you. Let me say it here and now: I am not as good as Mary.
I guess you would know that better than we would..but I know that my sisters and I stand on the same footing before God that she does., a child of God through adoption, a sister of Christ .
Mat 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
Mat 12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
Mat 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother
God chose her, preserved her free from all stain,
That is fallible tradition, not infallible scripture... there is not one wit of infallible evidence to that point
and Christ, as a good Jewish son, honored her and his earthly father, Joseph
Indeed He kept ALL the commandments perfectly for us, including "Honor they Father and Mother"
I also honor Christ's Mother and his earthly father, Joseph.
If you "pray" to her or have statures of her you do more than honor her.. she is a false idol
It does seem like the Calvin Canon is completely comprised of Romans and the OT.
vomiting it all over the people in the first row--- I was there! I saw it!
*She quit the choir at a Baptist church for the pastor saying that people from India brought satan to America while staring at the choir member from Trinidad.*
That blackguard!!! I was there! I heard it! I saw the choir member from Trinidad!!! The debil was in her pocket!! I was there!! I saw it!! Honest. Oh it was terrible I tell you. It was in the southern mid-west where they hunt alligators, seriously!
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