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I am sorry Glenn but I cannot join you
Reformation Theology ^ | Pastor John Samson

Posted on 08/31/2010 6:42:35 PM PDT by Gamecock

I really like Glenn Beck. Though I have never met him in person, I have often watched his television programs and thought it would be so nice to have that kind of a guy as a friend. I imagine that he is far too busy and way too inaccessible for that to become a reality, but I do genuinely like the man. He is insightful, articulate, funny, and seems to want some great things for his family and our nation. I do think that sometimes he has one or two conspiracy theories that may not be fully justified - we shall see - but all in all, Glenn seems to be a really nice guy.

I share many of the same goals as Glenn. I speak as one born in England but now very much a U.S. citizen. All my children were born here in these United States and I live and pray for America to become in all reality, "one nation under God." I love America. I sincerely believe Glenn does too.

But I do have a problem - not a problem with him as a person in any way at all, but when he asks me to join him in praying for the very same things I wish for my country, I just cannot. I can pray for these things privately, and with fellow Christians, of course, and I do. I just cannot stand with Glenn in a public setting and be comfortable while I know he is praying to a false god. How could I ever say "Amen" at the end of his prayer that people would turn back to the god he serves? I just cannot do it. That is because Glenn Beck is a Mormon. The "god" he prays to is not in any way the same God as mine.

I know.. I know.. even saying this is politically and religiously incorrect, but I cannot help but say it. When Glenn Beck speaks of "god" we need to remember that he uses a different dictionary to Christians. The God of the Bible is One in essence and eternally exists in three co-equal Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Mormons reject this completely, believing that there are many worlds controlled by different gods and the god of this planet was once a man. The Jesus of Mormonism is the begotten offspring of this exalted man in sexual union with one of his many wives, and this god lives on a planet circling a star named Kolob, and his "gospel" is the message of how you, too, can be exalted to godhood. Christianity is Monotheistic. Mormonism is the most polytheistic religion in the world. Doctrine matters folks and deceived people, deceive people!

A dear fellow Christian, in coming to understand where I am on this issue wrote to me today saying, "I like Glenn Beck and appreciate his effort to bring America back to her godly roots. He is doing a great job in uniting government, church, and media. He does speak from a Mormon perspective but still has a heart of seeing America return to God even though he might not have the same theological view as we do."

I responded by saying, " I understand you - but I cannot agree that Mormonism is in any way "godly." According to the Bible, there is nothing at all godly about false religion. Godliness is not just about acts of service, honor, integrity, courage and the like, as wonderful as these things are, but it also includes worship of the One true God and the avoidance of all forms of idolatry. Mormonism is idolatrous worship and when Glenn Beck prays, despite his intentions, he prays to a false god who cannot help either Mr. Beck or America."

I can remember reading about the worshippers of the golden calf. They had high family values and were absolutely sincere in their worship. Now I may not be the sharpest tool in the drawer, but I do tend to get the distinct impression that God didn't like the worship - yeah, the ground opening up and swallowing the worshippers.. hmmm... it does lead me to believe that God was somehow ticked, wouldn't you say?

And then I wonder what God would feel about a "prophet" in the Old Testament asking Baal to bring Israel back to its godly roots. I think in such times, he would be stoned. In Deuteronomy 18:20 God says to His people, "But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die."

God often tested His people by seeing if they would be true to Him even as false prophets tried to lure them away from Himself. God says, "If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, ‘Let us go after other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the Lord your God is testing you, to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after the Lord your God and fear him and keep his commandments and obey his voice, and you shall serve him and hold fast to him. But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has taught rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you out of the house of slavery, to make you leave the way in which the Lord your God commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the evil from your midst" (Deuteronomy 13:1-5).

Thank God for grace!!! (we don't stone false prophets now) but I believe God's feelings about false worship have not changed. As Glenn Beck calls this nation to pray for some very valuable, important and even vital things, I ask now, is God testing us in the same way today? Perhaps God has raised Glenn Beck up for this very purpose, to test our hearts. Just a thought!

As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord, the one and only God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the eternal One, Yahweh, the great I AM, the Alpha and Omega, who is from everlasting to everlasting.

So, though I really like you Glenn, thanks for the invite, but I cannot join you.

TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion; Mainline Protestant; Other Christian
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To: nowandlater
Christians, who is your brother?

The better question for you to ask would be "Mormon's, who is Jesus' brother?"

And they will tell you that their Jesus is the brother of Lucifer.

Now, ask me who is my Jesus. And I'll tell you, my Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God, IS NOT the brother of Lucifer.

121 posted on 08/31/2010 8:03:47 PM PDT by Bodleian_Girl
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To: BlessingsofLiberty
Like Samuel Adams, “I will pray with any man”. And, I will stand and fight with any Patriot.

God Bless You Glenn Beck.

I heartily agree. I am highly skeptical of those that are trying to stir up this animosity and controversy.

122 posted on 08/31/2010 8:04:11 PM PDT by mplsconservative (I stand with Israel.)
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To: TheGunny

Does Glenn have a hell to put you in? We’re not talking about collective salvation. You have to approach the Creator of the Universe for yourself.

One thing that hasn’t changed that down through the years the enemy of God has always been right there to pick off anyone that dare stand up and confess anything concerning Yahweh.

123 posted on 08/31/2010 8:04:56 PM PDT by swheats (America! America! God mend thine every flaw, Confirm thy soul in self-control, Thy liberty in law!)
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To: TheGunny
Christrians read the Bible, and that includes Mormons.

They also have a wonderful book entitled, “Jesus The Christ.”

I think I'll take a refresher course soon.

124 posted on 08/31/2010 8:05:04 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: ansel12

He’s not becoming the leader of Christians either. For pete’s sakes.

125 posted on 08/31/2010 8:06:27 PM PDT by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it*s the new black. Mmm Mmm Mmm.)
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To: terycarl’s the protestant revolution doing for you?????

I would say pretty good, you like America don't you?

126 posted on 08/31/2010 8:06:39 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: mplsconservative
Indeed, God bless Glenn Beck and those around him.

It took a tremendous amount of courage for him to do what he did Saturday.

Did you know that he wore a bullet-proof vest for his wife?

127 posted on 08/31/2010 8:06:49 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: Gamecock

Oh great another pastor who thinks his way is the only way. Newsflash Moron I have Mormons in my family they believe in the same God I do they just pray and worship in another manner. I am Catholic I’m sure you also have something nasty to say about us too.*eyeroll* Why not worry about your own soul and I’ll do the same with mine.

128 posted on 08/31/2010 8:07:16 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: All

Treating all as a Brother is what Jesus implored the dogmatically correct Pharisees with the parable of the good Sumaritan (the theologically heretical fake Jew). It doesn’t mean you agree with doctrine, but you are required by Jesus to show good will.

The new commandment from Jesus is to love one another as he has loved us. I see it rarely here on Freerepublic, therefore I can only conclude that the true disciples of Christ are faint in numbers here.

129 posted on 08/31/2010 8:07:28 PM PDT by nowandlater
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To: ReneeLynn

Who is a bigger religious leader at this moment than Beck?

130 posted on 08/31/2010 8:07:43 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: csmusaret
There weren’t Christians of all stripes, Jews, and Muslims on the stage with Beck? And in the crowd? Does anyone think any of those people were praying to someone elses God? This Reverend would not attend an event like The National Prayer Breakfast because he might be praying next a person praying to a God other than his own? Am I the only one who finds his attitude un-Christian?

I think ALL people who believe in GOD coming together is a good thing! No, make that a great thing! I traveled on a bus with people of all different religious persuasions. Denominations and religions represent theological differences and interpretations but GOD IS LOVE and that is the universal message. God knows "his" identity and does not need denominational modifiers. The CHURCH is bigger than each of the many denominations that have grown from it. To get hung up on specific theological points is very Pharisitic. The CHURCH is not contained by walls or doctrines or creeds. The CHURCH is composed of all the people who have the SPIRIT OF GOD within. We are ALL pilgrims on a journey of seeking the face of God we all are now looking through a glass darkly. It is only on the other side that all will be made clear. Please don't be a stumbling block to this man who has come so far on his faith journey. We are not to judge one another for that is the ultimate sin of setting ourselves up as God. May we humbly be open to God's divine guidance. I am certain that what I experienced on 8-28 was the presence of GOD. Thank you Glenn Beck!
131 posted on 08/31/2010 8:08:57 PM PDT by Notasoccermom
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To: GOP_Lady

I believe their Holiest Book, is the “Book of Mormon” do you accept it as the word of God?

132 posted on 08/31/2010 8:09:29 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Bodleian_Girl
I would listen to a confessed atheist passing out Twinkies and calling them manna if he was still correct on the Founding principles of this Nation. Differing or wrong beliefs in one area doesn't mean everything else is wrong. I might think he's bonkers on the Twinkies but meh whatever.
133 posted on 08/31/2010 8:10:14 PM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: ansel12

Your premise is flawed. Beck is not a religious leader. I’d say the Pope is still numero uno since Billy Graham got older.

134 posted on 08/31/2010 8:10:43 PM PDT by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it*s the new black. Mmm Mmm Mmm.)
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To: Errant
"Anyone who doesn't believe the human race is about to enter a Great Tribulation should read the comments on this thread..."

I totally agree. And reading these comments makes one realize just how easy it will be for the Antichrist to fool people. "Unity," the Antichrist will cry. And by the millions they will fall in place, marching gladly to their doom. Unified.

135 posted on 08/31/2010 8:12:05 PM PDT by Bodleian_Girl
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To: Gamecock

I guess the writer would not have been a signer of the Declaration of Independence, because of the “false god” of the Papists who were later to sign it. His Calvinist forebears didn’t seem to share his sensibilities.

136 posted on 08/31/2010 8:13:36 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: csmusaret

IMHO People who think like this pastor are the least Christian of all!

137 posted on 08/31/2010 8:13:52 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: chris_bdba
Wow, so you being a Catholic think that God the Father was a sinner who once lived on the planet Kolob? That he gained exaltation to Godhood?

How is that the same God of Catholic and Protestant doctrine?

Mormons have every right to believe whatever they want. Just don't lie about it and hide it.
138 posted on 08/31/2010 8:13:57 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: chris_bdba
I have Mormons in my family they believe in the same God I do they just pray and worship in another manner. I am Catholic

They believe that their jesus is the brother of Lucifer. So you also embrace that "belief?"

139 posted on 08/31/2010 8:15:24 PM PDT by Bodleian_Girl
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To: Bodleian_Girl

Yes I know and they will attempt to deceive the very elect if it were possible. We can agree on this one thing we’re all sincere in our passion. Good thing we both know the word but if I have not love I am nothing.

It appears we know the same things concerning the Bible but at disagreement on another brother’s belief system. Another conundrum.

140 posted on 08/31/2010 8:15:24 PM PDT by swheats (America! America! God mend thine every flaw, Confirm thy soul in self-control, Thy liberty in law!)
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