"You base that absurd generalization on what empirical data?"
Here is how the Catholic vote affects pro-life/conservative politics.
Posted on 11/03/2010 9:03:36 AM PDT by marshmallow
His family is from Cuba, so I imagine he has grandparents or great-grandparents that are Catholic.
I have not found anything that states that he is Catholic.
Father Frank Pavone has given him a strong endorsement, but that is based on his being strongly pro-life.
“Baptism spoken of in terms of a “symbolic act of obedience” is typical of that sort of church.”
Where does it say this?
Where does it say this?
In the bit I quoted from their statement of faith. "It is an act of obedience symbolizing the believer's faith in a crucified, buried, and risen Saviour, etc. etc."
I have noticed this among baptists, even otherwise quite rigorously calvinistic baptists, that they emphasize baptism as obedience.
The facts are most Catholics do vote for baby killing Democrats. You know that is true so why do you attack me for telling the truth?
We have a perfect example very close to my location. There was a very good pro-life Republican who held a seat in a Catholic/Democrat area. They sent him back to the House time after time but he chose not to run again. These same Catholics had their choice last night between a pro-life Republican and a Democrat--they chose the Democrat.
Shame on every one of those hypocritical Catholics. I have no respect for any one of them that voted for the Democrat.
That isn't true according to voting, the Catholic vote is different than the Protestant vote.
Agreed. My religion and politics matches.
Huh? Do you mean because most Catholics are also Democrats?
"You base that absurd generalization on what empirical data?"
Here is how the Catholic vote affects pro-life/conservative politics.
You know that is true so why do you attack me for telling the truth?
I know that simpletons like you think that unreliable exit polls equate to truth, which they do not. You parrot an urban legend propagated by the leftstream media, not the truth. You apparently don't understand that bearing false witness is a very serious sin.
Bingo!
Any idea what percentage of those in California who self identified as Catholic are actually Catholic? Any idea what percentage of voting Catholics in the United States they constitute?
Oh, dear. A Protestant in the henhouse, albeit a demonstrably believing one.
Whatever will you do with Newt Gingrich? Opportunist extraordinaire, knows his religious coattails, having ridden them before.
Ignoring a 100 years of polling, studies, and collection of voting data in America, just keeps you ignorant, it doesn't change the facts.
“Any idea what percentage of those in California who self identified as Catholic are actually Catholic? Any idea what percentage of voting Catholics in the United States they constitute?”
If you have opposing data, post it. If you have nothing, well, just keep complaining.
You cannot deny that Catholics have traditionally been Democrats in this country.
Don't call me names--take it up with your fellow Catholics.
“I have noticed this among baptists, even otherwise quite rigorously calvinistic baptists, that they emphasize baptism as obedience.”
What is the problem you see with the statement “It is an act of obedience symbolizing the believer’s faith....”?
Because it misses the incredible richness of what’s happening in baptism.
This is just a simple statement of belief, as “I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
the Maker of heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:” from the Apostle’s Creed is, not a theological tract.
“Christian baptism is the immersion of a believer in water in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. It is an act of obedience symbolizing the believer’s faith in a crucified, buried, and risen Saviour, the believer’s death to sin, the burial of the old life, and the resurrection to walk in newness of life in Christ Jesus.”
How does the statement miss “the incredible richness of what’s happening in baptism” any more than the affirmations in the Apostle’s Creed?
Somewhere in the Gospel of Luke it addresses these behaviors. To paraphrase "if one can't be trusted with little things,they cannot be trusted in bigger things".
Americans are very cavalier about "truth";however,I believe that a lie or a failure to correct a "misunderstanding",no matter how trivial it may seem is a disconnect from what is and untethers one from reality. That is never good in the long run.
I am happy you brought this to our attention and we all should reflect on it.
Too often Americans want to have their cake and eat it too and from my perspective that is what he was trying to do. I feel guilty in demanding truth from those I do not agree with while allowing those I do agree with to be a little slippery.
I have long thought that God wants us to "seek the truth,speak the truth and live and act in truth and pray unceasingly". After 9/11 two prominent evangelicals spoke up and said that perhaps God had lifted His mantle of protection from us because of our behaviors. They were chastised and vilified and quickly withdrew their remarks. I think they were right and we should have changed our behaviors back then.
Thanks again for posting.
Lets just pray for him no matter what type of Christian. I was praying as he was speaking the Holy Spirit is all over that Christian. Just pray! That man might be the next president!
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