Posted on 12/09/2010 8:20:52 AM PST by restornu
Did you read post #2 or did you not care when you posted your first reply!
You implied that any man that wants to remain celibate probably has issues.
BTW, Does God really care? SRS. I guess Jesus' words are empty to you then.
How about reading up the reason for priestly celibacy... maybe the Catechism CCC 1579
All the ordained ministers of the Latin Church, with the exception of permanent deacons, are normally chosen from among men of faith who live a celibate life and who intend to remain celibate "for the sake of the kingdom of heaven." Called to consecrate themselves with undivided heart to the Lord and to "the affairs of the Lord," they give themselves entirely to God and to men. Celibacy is a sign of this new life to the service of which the Church's minister is consecrated; accepted with a joyous heart celibacy radiantly proclaims the Reign of God.
We have a family friend who wants to become a priest but is married. He probably does more for the church than many priest, Eucharist minister (sic), teaches Sunday CCW, Works hard for Knights of Columbus etc.
Why doesn't he enter the permanent diaconate where he can serve the Church?
That’s the core problem with Mormonism. Its doctrines are spoken out of both sides of its mouth.
Reminds me of Mitt Romney....oh yeah, now I remember where he learned it.
I read the article above post #1, while ducking stones thrown.
Do you seriously think God thinks lesser of a pastor who is married..who may have actually done more to spread the word of God during his life than say a particular priest??
This silly old fashioned arcane(sic) view of celibacy is what is driving away people from the church in droves.
Right. Because no one has ever lobbed a boulder or two over toward our Utah-based friends.
But apparently religious affiliation of some wrongdoers only matters with respect to some religions.
Respectfully, I would ask you to reconsider your position.
Remember that the priests of the Church have a great many responsibilities in serving their parishes - they have to be available 24/7/365 for the people of God for the rest of the time they are humanly able. For a priest to be married would force him to split his loyalties between the people of his parish and his family - this wouldn't be fair to either. Likewise, it wouldn't be healthy for either.
The seminarian knows that he is giving up something good - marriage and a family - for something that is also good - serving God and His Church. It is made eminently clear in the 6-8 years of formation that seminarians go through before they are ordained, and great care is taken that men are not taking a vow to celibacy lightly. (I would grant, however, that much of this great care has been in response to problems that have become legion in the last 50 years.)
I am curious as to what your wife means when she refers to this young priest as one picked "from the bottom of the barrel?" The men who I know that are in seminary formation are excellent men - some who have come straight out of seminary, others who have studied in numerous fields ranging from history to engineering, and still others who have worked as doctors, lawyers, engineers, and still others who have served in the military. Certainly, some seminarians have rough edges... but smoothing those is also part of that formation.
I know these men, because I am one of them.
And we are being prepared to give our lives in service to Jesus Christ fully and completely - including the vow of celibacy. We realize how important it is... even though there is the bitterness of not having a family, it is consoled by the anticipation of being a father to the People of God entrusted to our care.
Please, please, please make an effort to get to know some of us before labeling us as defective!
Always good advice, for anyone posting on the Religion Forum!
I guess you reject what Jesus says then. Secondly, you are totally missing the point. Why would you get rid of a great charism that is for the building up of the Church? It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Thirldy, why doesn't your friend become a permanent deacon?
This silly old fashioned arcane(sic) view of celibacy is what is driving away people from the church in droves.
This is what you want to believe. What is driving people away from the Church is the liberalism of the Church that you are embracing.
May God Bless you GREATLY and may you have great success in your VOCATION!
That’s the core problem with Mormonism. Its doctrines are spoken out of both sides of its mouth.
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So do you also feel that way about your LDS love ones?
Also there are times passages in the Bible seem to contradict....
Many times it been found it all depends on the situation or events and through the witness of the Book of Mormon many of those passages in the Bible have been clarified!
From what I've read of the Cardinal, he was actually a fairly decent guy who just got too enamored with his position and the perks of power under Henry VIII. When Henry demoted him for political reasons near the end of his life, he actually begin rediscovering the joys of ministerial service.
Do you always confuse LDS Church doctrine with individuals within that organization, because I really don't. I love people, just as my Savior asked me to do, but I fight against powers and principalities, of which MormonISM is one.
You leave Nepal missionaries out of this!
I agree with you. There are a lot of great, celebate priests out there, but the celebacy rule certainly encourages sexual deviants who want to remain in the closet to apply. If you know you will never get married, and you become a priest, you have an excuse. Certainly doesn’t apply to all or even most priests, but I get what you are saying.
Well you just malign all practicing LDS who adhere to the word of the Lord...
Yet somehow you think you did not.
One thing I love about the Lord’s lay Church it is not a say one think wink, wink and do another.
We all recognized we are a work in progress we are all clay in the hands of the Potter and some are more malleable to the guidance of Lord’s hand then others!
Again resty, you didn't read what I posted. You are attributing motives to me and that is against the rules of this forum. Do you always break rules in this way? How will that effect your exaltation?
Oh you mean like the liberalism that teaching the Earth is NOT the center of the universe? That would get you burnt at the stake at one time in Rome. We are not talking about morals here like changing the view on murder but something as silly as allowing priest to be married or not.
I guess you reject what Jesus says then.
Show me the voice recording or actual words written by Jesus himself where he says priest need to be celibate. It was a man man creation written by infallible men who have interpreted their own meaning of it through the centuries.
You never answered my question. Is a pastor who has done great things spreading the word of God his whole life looked upon any less by God?? My friend always wanted to be a priest not a deacon but he fell in love with his HS sweetheart 30 years ago.
GCC Catholic. You said priest by being celibate are available 365/24/7. When my Catholic Mom was dying in the hospital my Dad's Methodist minister showed up to comfort him. They work more than a 9-5 job also.
My church is a "training" church. They bring in priest right out of the seminary for 6 month to a year and then they do onto a permanent position elsewhere. Yes, there are fine young priest and I am sure you are one of them. However, The last 3 out of 4 we have had we terrible. As long as you limit available candidates you are going to get a lesser candidates as a whole.
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