Posted on 07/10/2011 4:10:43 PM PDT by delacoert
The question is often heard and debated: Are Mormons Christian? The real question is not whether Mormons are "Christians" or not. Certainly Mormons are "Christian" just as much as any "new age Christian", Scientologist, Jehovah's Witness or others could claim the title of "Christian" - because they all have elements (more or less) of Christ in their doctrine. Do they believe in Jesus Christ? Sure they do. And all who claim a belief in Christ would naturally get their backs up when the assertion is made that they are not "Christian". The label itself is not the real issue, however. The real issue that bible-believing Christians have, is that Mormonism is explicitly contrary to the bible and to Christ's teachings contained therein. LDS members are not pleased to hear such statements - and understandably so. "But we do believe in Jesus Christ and the bible!", the LDS will protest. But consider what is really behind the issue - beyond the label. At the core is the fact that Christ himself explicitly proclaimed: "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6. "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved.” Acts 16:30-31. "Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12. Mormonism on the other hand declares that, while it is necessary to believe in Christ: "there is no salvation outside the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints." (Bruce R. McConkie). The "church" is the way the truth and the life." (Marion G. Romney). There is no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. (Joseph Fielding Smith). And there is no salvation (eternal life) without jumping through a myriad of hoops ("ordinances" - that the Mormon Church claims only it has the authority to perform - and strict obedience to the LDS church and all of its rules, regulations and commands given by its leadership). (click here for a more extensive discussion on this topic) If you are a Mormon, a key question is whether you really believe that you can inherit God's kingdom without the church? If you do believe that you can enter into God's Kingdom without the Mormon Church, your belief is contrary to official LDS church doctrine. What the LDS really believe is that, while a belief in Christ is requisite, so is a belief in and acceptance of the Prophet Joseph Smith and all subsequent church Prophets, the Mormon church, the restoration, the priesthood, the Word of Wisdom, all of the ordinances, and there must be strict obedience to all the laws, ordinances, teachings and commandments of the Church, etc. Miss any of these requisites and you're not going to get into God's Kingdom, according to Mormon theology. The bottom line is that Jesus Christ alone does not have the power to save, according to Mormonism. "One of the most fallacious doctrines originated by Satan and propounded by man is that man is saved alone by the grace of God; that belief in Jesus Christ alone is all that is needed for salvation," (Miracle of Forgiveness, Spencer W. Kimball, p. 206) Simply put, one cannot believe in both the bible and Mormonism. They are at odds on virtually every point of doctrine. Please don't take my word for it. Read the bible (most Mormons have not truly read the bible - or if they have, they usually just do a token read-through so that they can say that they've read it; it is very rare for a Mormon to really study the bible in depth). Not just the few out of context passages that Mormonism uses to try to demonstrate biblical support for its doctrines. But read the entire bible (start with the New Testament - which is the "New Covenant") in context and it will become clear that the two are not reconcilable. (For all LDS or former LDS members, I believe that it will take at least three times of reading through the New Testament - and do it without your LDS version with the LDS bible dictionary, the Joseph Smith Translation references, etc. Get a straight up King James, NIV or NASB and just read the Word without anyone or anything telling you what it says - let God Himself speak His Word to you. If you seek God and His truths in sincerity and a true and honest heart to know Him and His Word, it will change your life forever!). In sum, it may be somewhat inarticulate to say that Mormons are not "Christians". Mormons may technically have the label as "Christians" but they are certainly not "biblical Christians" and their teachings are not in accord with the pure and living Word of God. If the bible is truly the Word of God that Christ Himself declared would not pass away, then that is a serious issue. And it is one that Christ's followers should bring to the attention of the world in love - first of all so that the Mormon people may find the true and living Christ and His Word. Secondly, so that the world will not be mislead into a counterfeit Christianity. IS IT PROPER TO WARN THE WORLD ABOUT COUNTERFEITS? Jesus himself declared, that He alone is the door – the way, the truth and the life. The fundamental problem with Mormonism is that it is in direct conflict with that very basic and most important fact. The LDS Church, while using Christ’s name and keeping him somewhere in the mix, declares that the LDS Church is the way, the truth and the life and that no man can attain eternal life in the Father’s kingdom but by and through the LDS Church. (Though the church will currently equivocate publicly from such blunt statements, ask any faith LDS church member if they truly believe that they, or anyone else, can reach the Celestial Kingdom without strict adherence to each and every church ordinance, doctrine and command. Without question, the LDS Church teaches, and the members believe, that it is only in and through the LDS Church that Eternal Life can be had.) Christ and his disciples warned of false prophets, apostles and doctrines: “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.” Matthew 7:15 “[B]ut there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.” Galatians 1:7-8 “But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.” 2 Corinthians 11: 3-4 “For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.” 2 Corinthians 11:13 Neither Jesus nor His apostles hesitated to warn of and call out false and counterfeit doctrines when they appeared (yet neither He nor they imposed the Gospel on or forced anyone to believe in or to follow Christ). Yes, I think that we would be amiss not to warn our families, friends, the church and the world (even the Mormon people) of the counterfeit Christianity that is Mormonism. [That is not (and should not be) a mean-spirited thing, if done with love and genuine concern for the truth and for the welfare of souls - but it is still understandable that it is not pleasant for anyone to hear that they belong to a false religion.] Every man and woman must ultimately make their own decisions to believe or not believe as they see fit. Speaking the truth in love and with respect does not, and should not, infringe on anyone’s rights. I was a faithful LDS member for 39 years and I thank God for those who had the courage to stand up and speak the truth. When I had come to the point where I hungered for and needed to know the truth, I did not feel imposed upon by any and all sides of the arguments (and before that point I never would have even so much as looked at anything that contradicted the LDS church, even if it were placed right in front of my face with flashing red lights and sirens). But, at that point, when knowing the truth meant more to me than just clinging on to what I so desperately wanted to be true, I tried to listen to all sides (and everything that I could get my hands on). Each and every side played a part in enabling me to make a real choice. Ultimately, the truth itself did make me free. It is my sincere hope that what is written here will not be perceived as an "attack" on Mormons - rather I hope that it is received in the spirit of love and sincerity that it is intended. May God bless you as you seek Him in truth.
“IS MORMONISM CHRISTIAN?”
Nope
No
Not in any way, shape or form. I speak from experience. Next...
Sort of. They worship Christ, do they not?
Mormons believe Jesus was married at the marriage feast in Cana where He changed water into wine.
Mormons believe that the Mormon jesus was married to more than one woman.
The Mormon jesus was persecuted because he was a polygamist.
The Mormon jesus came into existence when his father in heaven created him along with his brothers and sisters, as a spirit being who was not yet a god.
Mormons believe Lucifer was one of the Mormon jesus's brothers, before the Mormon jesus became a man and later a god.
The Mormon jesus has become one individual god in a troika of gods which includes the Mormon jesus's father--who was once a man and inhabits a body of flesh and bones and through goodness gained the attributes of godhood when he was selected by a council of gods to be the god of earth--and the ‘never to receive a fleshly body’ holy spirit.
The Mormon jesus can save you, after all that you can do to be worthy of the grace of the Mormon godhead--which is, again, a troika of three gods working for a common purpose.
Mormons believe their jesus can save a person who rejected Him while in their body, by accepting a proxy baptism for them performed in a Mormon Temple by a Temple worthy Mormon.
The Mormon jesus gained the attributes of godhood through the life he lived in the flesh, which gained for that jesus exaltation.
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Every one of that list of the Mormon jesus characteristics is based upon the teachings from Mormon leaders who are attested as true by Mormons, for if they do not swear they attest to these teachers' characterizations then they have no temple recommend!
When a Mormon accuses someone who opposes those heresies regarding Jesus of lying about their religious beliefs, we post the actual quotes of the teachers who said these things about the jesus Mormons are trusting to save them after all that they can do. And when one comes to make a vague accusation because of this post, I will list the quotes as they have been listed throughout this thread and others for days now.
welcome to America. you have the right to practice any religion you wish, free from persecution
of course, there will be plenty of asshats that think their religion is better then another. ignore them. they’re idiots and have no idea what country they’re in let along what it stands for or how/why it was founded.
one religions magical underpants is anothers funny hats & fish on fridays. whatever. if it works for you, good for you. you have ZER0 right to attack/ridicule another religion.
for the asshats... go google the federalist papers. at the very least, you should read the US Constitution.
try to not move your lips
Ancient religions involved several kinds of things intended to communicate with the spirit world directly and these included prophets, the Greek oracles, familiar spirits and witchcraft (the tale of Saul, Samuel, and the “witch of Endor”), idolatry and the rituals related to it, and pure electrostatic devices including the pyramids and things like the ark of the covenant. All of those things involved static electricity, all of them involved trance states as in hypnosis, and they all stopped working forever before the time of Alexander. ANYBODY claiming to be a prophet after Alexander is a BS artist and a con man.
THAT was interesting.
Why don't you settle the question of are Catholic Christian (73 book Bible, veneration of Mary,) or are Protestant Christian(66 book Bible, no veneration of Mary)...
Call us when your done
Then we can deal with the "are Mormons Christian" question
It depends on how they answer the question Jesus asked Peter in Mark 8:29. Can they answer it as Peter did? No. Therefore, the answer is “no”.
"He (Joseph Smith) is the man through whom God has spoken... yet I would not like to call him a savior, though in a certain capacity he was a god to us, and is to the nations of the earth, and will continue to be." (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:321 )”You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a god...” (Herber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 5:88)
”If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]” (as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142)
There is “no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190)
”I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, “Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;” if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgression—if you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again.” (Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155)
”It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men.... If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation …“ (Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670)
Journal of Discourses, volume 8 number 224, October 21, 1860 [ http://www.journalofdiscourses.org/volume-08/]
"No man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven without the approbation of the prophet Joseph Smith, jun. ... If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the prophet Joseph. If you ever pass through the gates into the Holy City, you will do so upon his certificate that you are worthy to pass. Can you pass without his inspection? No; neither can any person in this dispensation of the fulness of time. In this generation, and in all the generations that are to come, everyone will have to undergo the scrutiny of this prophet." Journal of Discourses, volume 8 number 224, October 21, 1860 [ http://www.journalofdiscourses.org/volume-08/]
"You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a god..." (Herber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 5:88)
"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]" - (as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142)
There is "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God" (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190)
"I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, "Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;" if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgression—if you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again." (Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155)
"It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men.... If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation," (Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670)
Holy cow! I knew none of that.
what you think of Mary or how many books are in the Bible does not make you a Christian.
the question that does is, “who do you say the Son of Man is?”
Well there is the Christ of Mormon theology and then there’s Yashua of the Bible. So to answer your question. No, they do not worship Yashua of the Bible - they worship someone called “Jesus” who is the spirit brother of Lucifer. That’s their theology. And saying so is not anti-Mormon. It’s anti-Mormon THEOLOGY.
Again?
The answer of course is no, but why does it come up bimonthly or so?
Matthew 15:8 “’These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me”.
Mormonism and many other cult groups preach a false salvation gospel and therefore are condemned of God as the Scriptures plainly teach to those who believe and read the Scriptures knowing they are indeed the everlasting Word of God.This is the gospel of salvation for those who would be saved of God by grace through faith;
ICo.15:
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures..
And this is the curse of all who preach another gospel of salvation;
Galations 1:
1Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;) 2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia 3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ, 4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father 5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. 6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. 10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. 11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. 12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Not so. They’re worshiping a false Jesus conjured up by Joseph Smith, JR. They are not worshiping Yashua of the Bible. They can call on the Mormon Jesus all they want and there is no salvation in a false Messiah.
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