Skip to comments.The differences between Judaism and Zionism.
Posted on 02/25/2013 1:57:31 PM PST by Jo Nuvark
Judaism is Torah based and GOD honoring. Zionism is politically based and GODless. http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/differencejudzion.html
The role of Zionism in the Holocaust. http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/holocaust-zionism.htm
It took the Dreyfus affair for the assimilated Jews to begin to catch on.
As for JEWS NOT ZIONISTS, I don't consider them Jews. Speaking merely as a Jew, I consider them heretics who pray at the altar of dead Roman soldiers and piss on the Torah. A ruling imposed by gentile swords is inherently invalid. Those who would use it to attack other Jews, while recieving money from Jew killers should be excommunicated and ostracized as the whores they are.
Every word they write is a Chilul Hashem, a defamation of the name of G_d.
I appreciate Rabbi Teitelbaum taking time off from protecting pedophiles long enough to remind us that he is a senile twit who will commit additional desercrations of Judaism like lying about Zionists. In the real world, Zionists and anti-Zionists alike tried to negotiate with the Nazis to save as many Jews as possible.
Jo Nuvark, you aren't a Jew and you have no idea what you are playing with.
But the argument should be moot. Israel exists. The anti-Zionists are not anti-violence. Rather they are delusional useful idiots or fanatics who want the wholesale slaughter and subjugation of Jews. Because that is what will happen to destroy Israel.
I see no reason to argue with mentally ill heretics or with those who seek the slaughter of Jews. As for those too stupid to understand impications, don't expect me to be polite if they are above 13 and have an IQ above body temperature.
In the same sense that the Westboro Baptist Chruch is an international organization of Fundamentalist Christians dedicated to the propagation and clarification of Biblical Christianity.
The point is not really moot.
In Exodus and Joshua the tribes were operating upon and by directives.
The whole premise is that it was up to Hashem to instigate the return.
Yet others took it upon themselves to do so at the cost of great bloodshed.
If you read Zechariah, it state that the city shall be taken and half of the inhabitants shall go into captivity.
Perhaps that is a result of the point not being moot.
By that point in the Tribulation, "all Israel" might not be that many people.
Bookmark for later.
Westboro Baptist Church is neither Baptist nor Christian by any reasonable definition.
Neither is it ‘fundamentalist” in the original definition of the term.
They are a disgrace to all mankind.
“Religious Jews respond to the secular State of Israel basically in one of three ways:
1) The State of Israel is the precursor to the Messianic Age and should be supported wholeheartedly.
2) The State of Israel does not *necessarily* have any messianic implications, but it is a place of refuge for persecuted Jews and home to almost half the Jews in the world and deserves support for those reasons.
3) The State of Israel is just another nation under non-Jewish sovereignty, but the Land of Israel is still holy and it is meritorious to live there regardless of the sinful nature of its government, which does not merit support.”
Great post. I concur. Not sure where I fall on 1-3, but it’s one of the three.
Israel is also my home where I grew up, where I flew to defend my country, and where my daughters and grandbabies live.
“Neturei Karta is an international organization
of Orthodox Jews dedicated to the propagation
and clarification of Torah Judaism.”
No, its a bunch of corrupt self-hating Jews who are financially supported by Iran and other terrorist organizations.
I am aware of that.
Neveer thought you wren’t :)
RED FLAG: The article implies there is no Hebrew
race. If that were so: 1) Why such a precise record
of geneologies? 2) Why did GOD more than once
cleanse the nation of Israel by separating foreign
wives and children? -Ezra 10
As for Israel..it has changed hands so many times that it belongs to the people of the earth.
As to my small inheritance, I give my portion to those who call themselves Jews. Those who have been denied a secure place throughout history.
May they live in their "home"in peace, no matter if they choose that home to be Israel or wherever they may be, until that day when we all inherit the entire planet through grace.
If this way of thinking is Zionism..then I am guilty.
Any other way is pure greed or manipulation to cause strife, IMHO. But, of course, no one ever listens to me. So the games will continue and the hate will abound. What's new?
Pray for the heart of humanity.
What is the difference between anti-semitism and anti-zionism?
Anti-Semitism is a hatred, revulsion, or denigration of Jewish people and a belief that those people are somehow (by dint of their genetics) more violent, conniving, mischievous, and dastardly than other people. In some cases, like the Nazis or Extremist Muslims, they are considered a “sub-human” race, on par with monkeys. Almost all Anti-Semites are not Jews for the simple reason that no person would willingly consider himself a putrid thing.
Anti-Zionism is a rejection of Zionism. Zionism is merely Jewish Nationalism, the belief that Jews have a right to have their own country where they can determine their own future. Zionists can be both Jews and non-Jews and Anti-Zionists can be both Jews and non-Jews, because the question of whether the Jews have a right to a state is a political question. Since the Jews were able to create such a country, Israel, Anti-Zionism is usually seen as Anti-Israel sentiment.
It is important to note that there are those who wish to argue that Anti-Semitism does not apply exclusively to Jews (since there are non-Jewish Semites), but the term Anti-Semite has never been used to describe anything but Jew-hatred. Additionally, people like to claim that Zionism is a code word for an international cabal of evil Jews trying to control the world. Aside from the fact that such a cabal does not exist, such a thing would fall under Anti-Semitism, not Zionism or Anti-Zionism since this cabal would not be concerned with Jewish Nationalism.
Antisemitic conspiracy theories
Antisemitism has, from the Middle Ages, frequently taken on characteristics of conspiracy theory. Antisemitic canards continue to circulate. In medieval Europe it was widely believed that Jews poisoned wells, had killed Jesus, and consumed the blood of Christians in their rituals.
In the second half of the 19th century conspiracists claimed that Jews and/or Freemasons were plotting to establish control over the world. The most famous text alleging the existence of this Judeo-Masonic conspiracy theory is The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. A more modern manifestation of such ideas is the myth of a Zionist Occupation Government.
Various conspiracy theories have been advanced regarding Jews and banking,including the myth that world banking is dominated by the Rothschild family,that Jews control Wall Street, and that Jews control the U.S. Federal Reserve System. A related idea is that Jews control Hollywood or the news media.
Most Holocaust denial claims imply, or openly state, that the Holocaust is a hoax arising out of a deliberate Jewish conspiracy to advance the interest of Jews at the expense of other peoples, and to justify the creation of the State of Israel. For this reason, Holocaust denial is generally considered to be an antisemitic conspiracy theory.
International Jewish conspiracy
The existence of an international Jewish conspiracy is an anti-Semitic canard which regularly features in various racist conspiracy theories.
The blood libel, or conspiratorial slur that Jews murder gentile babies to use their blood in the preparation of Passover matzos, goes back to antiquity.
In medieval Europe, outbreaks of disease were commonly blamed on Jews poisoning wells, which led to pogroms, murders, and the Jews being forced by the governing authorities to live in segregated areas of cities called ghettos.
It was only in modern times that the Catholic Church stopped assigning blame to the Jews for their purported deicide of Jesus Christ. In medieval Europe, Jews were accused of re-enacting Jesus’s crucifixion and death by stabbing or mutilating the host, which Catholics believe are transubstantiated into the body of Christ.
In 1934, an American pro-Nazi magazine published the claim that Benjamin Franklin delivered an anti-Semitic speech at the 1787 Constitutional Convention urging that Jews not be admitted to the United States. Franklin’s purported rationale included that Jews: refuse to assimilate wherever they move, are vampires who must live among Christians, will attempt to financially strangle the country, will stream into the United States in such numbers that they will take over and rule the country. Franklin’s so-called prophecy was allegedly recorded in a “private diary” of Charles Pinckney, Constitutional Convention delegate from South Carolina, that is now in the possession of the Franklin Institute. The Anti-Defamation League exposed the fraud in 1954, yet references to the “prophecy” still persist on neo-Nazi messageboards and on usenet.
Similar anti-Semitic sentiments have been falsely ascribed to George Washington.
Modern anti-Semitic conspiracy theories depicting an elaborate secret hierarchy of controlling Jewish influences largely take their cue from The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, a 1903 tract purporting to be the manual of a Jewish secret society planning world domination. It was widely circulated in the early twentieth century and exposed as a fraud as early as 1921.
Automobile manufacturer Henry Ford further popularized the conspiracy during the 1920s by publishing the Protocols and anti-Semitic articles in his newspaper, The Dearborn Independent, and distributing hundreds of thousands of copies of the Protocols. Ford’s anti-Semitic articles were later collected and published as a four-volume treatise entitled The International Jew: The World’s Foremost Problem.
Ford’s enthusiastic endorsement of an international Jewish conspiracy proved extremely popular in Weimar-era Germany. Ford provided substantial financial backing to Hitler in the 1920’s and his writings were a significant influence on the formation of the Nazi party and its grassroots support. By 1933, when the Nazi Party came to power in Germany, The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion was standard reading in German schools. Adolf Hitler admired Henry Ford and even emulated him by creating his own automobile, the Volkswagen. Hitler further propagated the Jewish conspiracy myth in Mein Kampf and other Nazi propaganda blaming Jews for the rise of both communism and rampant capitalism, and for Germany’s economic decline following the First World War.
Spanish fascist dictator Francisco Franco similarly believed in a conspiracy of Jews, Freemasons and communists intending to establish a world government. He often made reference to a vast “Judeo-Masonic conspiracy.”
After the fall of Nazi Germany, anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, along with anti-Semitism itself, have become increasingly marginalized. However, the myth of an international Jewish conspiracy remains common among right-wing conspiracy theorists, Neo-Nazis, black supremacists and other racist lunatics, and has been further perpetuated in recent years by these lunatics’ rantings on the internet.
This canard is also common in parts of the Islamic world, especially among Palestinian resistance movements. For example, the founding charter of Hamas asserts the existence of a Zionist conspiracy, working internationally through secret organizations such as the Freemasons as well as the government of Israel, and cites the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as the embodiment of their plans.
Anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists often focus on Zionism and the founding of Israel, or on denying the existent or scale of the Holocaust and claiming it is a myth fabricated or exaggerated to serve Jewish interests. Believers in an international conspiracy often claim that Jews are secretly running the United States government in collaboration with Israel. They point to examples of wealthy Jews in the financial sector and other industries (the Rothschild family regularly appears in these theories), and to the apparently disproportionate numbers of Jews involved in the movie industry in Hollywood.
If it is even true that Jews are disproportionately represented in business, one must be careful to note that correlation does not equal causation. In the Western World until the 19th Century, the largely Christian populations obeyed a religiously motivated prohibition on charging interest on loans, with the role of banker historically falling on Jewish businessmen who were sometimes even specifically licensed by sovereigns to charge interest. To assume that the disproportionate number of Jews involved in finance proves they’re engaging in a Zionist conspiracy through manipulation of capitalism is to ignore the historic role of Jews in banking due to the Christian prohibition against usury.
Individual theories vary widely. Many claim that “international Jewry” is in control of the Freemasons, Illuminati, and other real or perceived secret societies. Often the international Jewish conspiracy is portrayed as an active part of, or the major power behind, that greatest of all conspiracies, the New World Order.
Various anti-Semitic 9/11 conspiracy theories sprang up in the wake of the 9/11 terrorist attacks claiming that a Jewish or Israeli conspiracy was behind the attacks, or that the whole incident was faked in order to serve Jewish and Zionist interests. A common myth, spread by racist websites and chain emails, is that hundreds or even thousands of Jewish employees in the World Trade Center were forewarned of the attacks missed work on September 11th 2001.
Variations on these conspiracies that may not appear overtly anti-Semitic often have a latent anti-Semitism about them as the words “Illuminati,” “New World Order,” “international bankers,” and “financiers” are Mad Libbed in for “Jews” and “international Jewry.”
By Henry Makow PhD
Just mention the “Jewish Banker Conspiracy” and you’ll be as popular as a skunk at a garden party. Tolerant sophisticated people dismiss this concept as a hateful and tired cliche. They believe “anti-Semites” should be slandered, sent to jail and lose their livelihood.
But what if there actually *were* a “Jewish Banker Conspiracy?” Then these sophisticates would have egg on their face, wouldn’t they? They’d be exposed as rubes, victims of a stereotypical Jewish deception achieved by mass media coincidentally owned by these very same bankers.
The “Jewish Banker Conspiracy” is *not* a chimera. It is the plan of Rothschild-controlled central bankers to create a totalitarian system to protect their illegal private monopoly of the world’s credit. They print government currency for the price of the paper and then lend it to the government with interest.
In the words of Bill Clinton’s mentor, Georgetown University professor Carol Quigley, who was an insider, the plan is “nothing less than to establish a world system... able to dominate the political system of each country.” They plan to control the whole system in “a feudalistic manner by the central banks of the world working in concert (and) by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences.” (’Tragedy and Hope’, p. 324)
The central banking families and their allies used their unfair advantage to gain a monopoly on the world’s wealth and a stranglehold on culture and politics. To make us accept their “New World Order,” (a.k.a. globalization) they need to divide and degrade humanity by destroying the four pillars of our personal identity and social cohesion: nation, race, religion and family.
They sponsor Communism, Zionism, Socialism, Neo Conservatism, Liberalism, Feminism, Multiculturalism and “Diversity” to achieve this purpose. (Socialism substitutes government for family.) They sponsor terrorism (incl. 9-11), revolutions, wars and depressions and may be planning another world war.
Anti-Semitism is caused because Jewish idealists, opportunists and dupes play a prominent role in the above movements, especially Communism. As the New World Order becomes more onerous, anti-Semitism will inevitably increase. Jews need to acknowledge this rather than pretend “anti-Semites” are hallucinating. On the other hand, “anti-Semites” need to stop generalizing. Jews are very far from being cohesive.
Jews are fleeing Jewish organizations in droves. According to a 2001 survey, 25% of the roughly 5 million American Jews identify with another faith. Another quarter are “secular” leaving just 51% to say they are Jewish by religion. One half of all Jews intermarry and three-quarters of these raise their children in another religion.
The majority of Jews probably would oppose the banker agenda if they understood it. I was heartened to hear Texe Marrs say recently that only 5% of Jews are aware of the big picture. Yet the other 95% may suffer if they continue to be indifferent to what is happening.
THE BIG PICTURE
Many “anti-Semites” like Texe Marrs and Des Griffin believe that the Jewish Pharisees accepted the offer from Satan that Jesus rejected: “I will give you the Kingdom of the World (i.e. Money, Power) if you obey me.” They believe Talmudic Judaism is dedicated to enthroning Lucifer and always has conspired to destroy Christianity. The recent treatment of Christmas is proof that they are not hallucinating.
I am just beginning this immense study and shouldn’t be mistaken for an expert. My present hypothesis is that enthroning Satan/Lucifer really means enthroning man in the role of God. This is called Illuminism. (Hence, the “Enlightenment.”)
God is rejected. God represents the natural development of mankind through adherence to spiritual absolutes like morality, justice and truth.
A strong element in Talmudic Judaism restricts the definition of “man” to Jews. Thus, the course of human history can be seen as the replacement of God with man, and “man” with Jews (or man becomes Jewish.) Everything we call “modern” speaks to the banishment of God from the universe and the attempt to fill the void with the utterances of men/Jews/illuminists. That’s why so much of modern culture is a fraud.
Israel Shamir has suggested that the Jewish Holocaust is being used to deify Jews. The holocaust replaces the crucifixion as a sacred symbol of God-sacrifice. The Holocaust Museums are the temples.
Those Jews who welcome this scenario might be in for a rude awakening. The definition of Jewish is blurred. As I have suggested elsewhere, the central bankers have forged alliances based on money, marriage and cabalistic Freemasonry with the leading families of Europe and America.
When gold is God, the extremely rich are the “Chosen People.” This myth, together with the Talmudic and Cabalistic traditions, is a perfect mechanism for elite totalitarian control. According to Israel Shahak, Talmudic Judaism has always provided a model for a closed oppressive society.
“Zionism is but an incident of a far reaching plan,” said leading American Zionist Louis Marshall, counsel for bankers Kuhn Loeb in 1917. “It is merely a convenient peg on which to hang a powerful weapon.”
In other words, the whole Jewish enterprise, Judaism etc. may be a “powerful weapon” to enthrone a rule of the super rich, who are “Jewish” mainly by virtue of wealth. But the average Jew will take the flack in the form of anti-Semitism.
For example, the British royal family sees itself as descending from the House of David. A Jewish Mohel circumcised Prince Charles. Are the Windsor’s Jewish? (Douglas Reed, Somewhere South of Suez, p.356.)
Henry Kissinger once said, “a people who have been persecuted for 2000 years must be doing something wrong.” His unsympathetic attitude may reflect that of his employers, the Illuminati bankers.
What could Jews be doing wrong?
Answer: Trusting their “leaders.”
These Anti-Semitic people are all over the place on the net. And the appear in Youtube videos and the comments section. When Wild Bill For America spoke about Israel in a video they came out bashing him.
These Anti-Semitic people are all over the place on the net. And they appear in Youtube videos and the comments section. When Wild Bill For America spoke about Israel in a video they came out bashing him.
I have acquired a young friend who is Jewish, and goes to many of the different synagogues in Milwaukee. I am kind of shocked to find how very indoctrinated he has been against Jesus (Yeshua). I always thought that Jews taught Judaism, and Christians taught Christianity. I never knew that Jews were actually taught to despise Christ.
The Christian Churches I go to, which are born again, and therefore true Christians, all love Jews, and believe that Jews are God's Chosen People. I think that the hate that it appears Jews have for Jesus is because they are continually propagandized against Him, I think in fear of the fact that if they actually look into believing in Him, that they will loose their people, especially their young people to Him. Of course, what they do not understand is that you cannot lose your people to the true Messiah, but rather truly find them.
That being said, I believe that Christians have largely been gathered into the Church by The LORD out of Israel's lost and dispersed peoples. The difference between us and Jews, is that Jews know you are Hebrew. Even though most of us, if not all of us who are in the Church are of the lineage of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, this knowledge has been lost to us, but not to The Father, as He seeks and chooses us out of the world. Because the knowledge of our "Hebrewness" is lost to almost all of us, and we haven't been circumcised as Hebrews, we are categorized by The LORD as gentiles. Remember that Joseph's wife, Rahab, Ruth and others in The Writings were all gentile brides. They are types of the Church, the bride of Christ.
The Writings tell us of two branches of Israel that will be made one in the end times. The LORD has preserved those that are of Israeli lineage from all the tribes that were dispersed throughout the whole world. The Northern Kingdom was dispersed well over a hundred years before The House of Judah was. When The Temple was rebuilt and a remnant came back to Israel, upon a careful reading of the records, you will find that it was the people of The Southern Kingdom that returned back. Jews, who are The Jews of today, are largely made up of Hebrews, who kept their identities as Hebrews, mainly descendants of those who lived in the Southern Kingdom. The Hebrews from the Norther Kingdom were dispersed throughout the whole world, losing their true identity, and mingled into the seed of gentiles, but are still descendants of Abraham.
Jews may despise Christians, just as the Southern Kingdom and Northern Kingdom despised and fought against each other, but the time will come when the two groups, from both Kingdoms, will be reunited again as one.
Read Hosea. You will see that a people who God rejects and sends away, a people who He calls "not His people", will again be called "His people". Jews, such as yourself, have always been called God's Chosen People, and knew/know themselves to be God's Chosen People, out of the lineage of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Even when sent away to Babylon and it's far reaching kingdom, Jews, as a people group, knew who you were, and were not cut off from being God's People. This means that Hosea isn't referring to you, The Jews. Hosea is referring to the Hebrews from the Northern Kingdom who God sent away, breaking off from them almost altogether, who are being written about here.
After the tribulation period, the time of Jacobs troubles, many people who are descendants from The Northern Kingdom, preserved as Hebrews by The LORD, from throughout the whole world, will be gathered back to Israel, where the people of God, The Jews, already are. They will be reunited with their brethren. A careful reading of all The Writings will find this theme replete in Scriptures. Both Christians, and Jews at this time are largely blind to this truth.
Hosea 1:4 And the LORD said unto him, Call his name Jezreel; for yet a little [while], and I will avenge the blood of Jezreel upon the house of Jehu, and will cause to cease the kingdom of the house of Israel.(The House of Israel, The Northern Kingdom, not The House of Judah} .......
Hosea 1:6 And she conceived again, and bare a daughter. And [God] said unto him, Call her name Loruhamah: for I will no more have mercy upon the house of Israel; but I will utterly take them away.
1:7 But I will have mercy upon the house of Judah, and will save them by the LORD their God, and will not save them by bow, nor by sword, nor by battle, by horses, nor by horsemen. .......
Hosea 1:9 Then said [God], Call his name Loammi: for ye [are] not my people, and I will not be your [God].
1:10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, [that] in the place where it was said unto them, Ye [are] not my people, [there] it shall be said unto them, [Ye are] the sons of the living God.
1:11 Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great [shall be] the day of Jezreel.
Ezekiel 37:16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and [for] all the house of Israel his companions:
37:18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou [meanest] by these?
37:19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which [is] in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, [even] with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
37:21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
Genesis 17:5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
17:6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
Ezekiel 11:15 Son of man, thy brethren, [even] thy brethren, the men of thy kindred, and all the house of Israel wholly, [are] they unto whom the inhabitants of Jerusalem have said, Get you far from the LORD: unto us is this land given in possession.
11:16 Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Although I have cast them far off among the heathen, and although I have scattered them among the countries, yet will I be to them as a little sanctuary in the countries where they shall come.
11:17 Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.
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