R.C. Sproul: There Is No True Prophecy Today

Last Days Watchman ^ | Julio Severo

[kingpins10]

Revelation 22:17 is clear that Calvin was wrong.

God doesn’t pick and choose who is saved. Jesus even tried to convert the hard hearted Pharisees. Why would he even waste his time?

“For whosoever shall call upon the name of The Lord shall be saved”. Romans 10:13

[GBA]

“No human, natural or preternatural agency can destroy the Church or Christian civilisation;
when evil becomes unbearable to the individual who trusts God, or to society, God will work a miracle if necessary to overcome it.”
--Fr Gerald Culleton, The Prophets and Our Times (1941)

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   Jesus, someone mentioned some time ago to me that you will
give no more signs, You said it to the Pharisees; he said this when I
said that this guidance (message) is from You.

   Vassula, when I said this to the Pharisees I meant My miracles of
the time I was in flesh and among them; condemning Me now, for it is
to condemn My Heavenly Works, shows how arid and closed their
hearts have become; My signs will never end; My Presence will be felt
in the world and I will continue to show Myself in signs;
   believe, believe O men of little faith, do not distort My Word, for
what have you to say about Fatima; are you dreading to believe that I
am the One who gave you this sign? O men of little faith, what would
you not declare rather than accept that Heaven’s signs are from Me!
love my My Works, accept My Works; believe, believe in Me, I, who am
Infinite Wealth and Mercy; My signs are so that all men see that Love
has not forgotten you; Love has not withdrawn and glories in His
Glory; Love is among you, never leaving you;
~Jesus, May 28, 1987 True Life in God

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The Warning and the Miracle

[TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed]

Just to be clear, that name is YHWH. (yod he waw he)

It is my understanding that it is pronounced “Yahuah”

[Alex Murphy]

Thanks for reposting this in the Religion Forum. Will you be participating in this thread?

[SeekAndFind]

I posted this in the other thread:

There are four ways to tell a true from false prophet:

If the “prophet” or “prophetess” (Note the quotes):

1. …has prophesies that aren’t 100 percent accurate 100 percent of the time (or are manipulated to come “true”) = False.

2. …points to any “Jesus” other than the biblical one = False.

3. …uses supernatural or occultist techniques used in his or her prophecy = False.

4. …has a rebellious, unrepentant spirit = False.

All FOUR of these tests should be applied, as many false prophets can pass two or three of them. If he or she fails at any one of these, = FALSE.

What if somebody prophesies something and it comes true?

Should you listen to them? Check out what Deuteronomy says in Chapter 13 verse 1:

“If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder comes true, concerning which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods (whom you have not known) and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams; for the LORD your God is testing you to find out if you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall follow the LORD your God and fear Him; and you shall keep His commandments, listen to His voice, serve Him, and cling to Him. But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has counseled rebellion against the LORD your God who brought you from the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of slavery, to seduce you from the way in which the LORD your God commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the evil from among you.”

So the Bible is saying that just because someone prophesies the future—it doesn’t mean they are a true prophet. Further, it says God will allow certain prophets to arise who are false who will perform signs and wonders, to test you to find out if you love Him. Then you are to test these prophets by their DOCTRINE! If they are preaching a different Christ or it doesn’t matter— you are not to listen to them.

[Dutchboy88]

The grave error here is that the entire premise of the article is built around the legitimacy (or illegitimacy) of “Calvinism”. Further, Sproul did not say what the author puts in his mouth (cessationism). But, it makes for good controversy...just no light.

[the_Watchman]

This article wanders all over the farm, but interesting. Regarding Reagan, my earliest memories from 1959 was my father watching Reagan on TV and lamenting: “Why can’t someone like him be President?” Remember at that point Reagan had not ventured into politics. My Dad was not Pat Boone and he wasn’t claiming to speak prophecy, but he beat Boone to the punch by 10 years!

[juliosevero]

I am here, but I confess that I do not understand much how this works.

[Alex Murphy]

The grave error here is that the entire premise of the article is built around the legitimacy of true prophecy being demonstratably given in the post-apostolic era.

SeekAndFind made IMO an excellent post on the first version of this thread (and again here) regarding the Biblical test of true prophecy. In short, any alleged post-apostolic prophet needs a verifiable 1.000 batting average in regards to predictions AND Christology, or he's a false prophet. Can anyone cough up such an individual to demonstrate why Sproul's experience is wrong?

[Alex Murphy]

I am here, but I confess that I do not understand much how this works.

You've been a member of Free Republic for almost four and a half years. What don't you get?

[SeekAndFind]

RE: In short, any alleged post-apostolic prophet needs a verifiable 1.000 batting average in regards to predictions AND Christology, or he’s a false prophet.

OK, just for argument’s sake, what do we make of the NON-FULFILLMENT of Jonah’s prophecy to the Ninevites?

This is what he said : “Forty more days and Nineveh will be overturned.” (Jonah 3:4).

That’s it. NO CONDITIONS, NO IFs or BUTs. Not even an exhortation to repent.

[the_Watchman]

We have been discussing this very topic in our Sunday School class on theology. We delved into Dr. Wayne Grudem’s conjecture that N.T. prophecy is different from O.T. prophecy. It exists, but it must be tested. This is because, in his view, it can be flawed.

He contends that most evangelical congregants are not strict cessationists with regards to miraculous gifts; e.g., tongues, prophecy, and healing. Instead he categorizes them as “Open but cautious”.

[Alex Murphy]

OK, just for argument’s sake, what do we make of the NON-FULFILLMENT of Jonah’s prophecy to the Ninevites? This is what he said : “Forty more days and Nineveh will be overturned.” (Jonah 3:4). That’s it. NO CONDITIONS, NO IFs or BUTs. Not even an exhortation to repent.

Personally, I'd say that the sweeping nation-wide changes in Ninevah, from the greatest to the least (Jonah 3:5-10) constitute a definitive moral overturning.

[MortMan]

And yet there is so much false prophecy...

[SeekAndFind]

Yes, but what kind of prophet did that make Jonah?

[Alex Murphy]

An accurate one, IMO. Are you interpreting “overthrown” to mean a solely political / physical change, and not an ethical one?

[SeekAndFind]

RE: An accurate one,

I’d say an inaccurate one.

He only told them part of the whole prophecy.

He gave them the doom part but not the salvation part.

[onthelookout777]

Christian Mysticism Within Evangelicalism
http://deanbible.org/Media/Documents/Pre-Trib2012/Papers/Ken%20Hornock.pdf

Cessationism, Revelation & Prophecy
http://sharperiron.org/article/cessationism-revelation-prophecy